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With my past lists I had decided to put a third of my points into a Landraider, Assault Termies, and Vulkan. I'm beginning to think that's a bit of a problem...so with what little knowledge I have on list building I tried to make something more Vanilla? Anyways the list is as follows:

HQ
Librarian
- Null Zone, Avenger
100 points

Elites
Sternguard
- 9 man
- 5 combi meltas 4 combi flamers
- Rhino
305 points

Troops
Tactical Squad
- 10 Man
- Flamer and Multi-Melta
- Sergeant w/ Combi-melta
- Rhino
215 points

Tactical Squad
- 10 Man
- Flamer and Multi-Melta
- Sergeant w/ Combi-melta
- Rhino
215 poitns

Tactical Squad
- 10 Man
- Flamer and Lascannon
- Sergeant w/ combi-melta
- Rhino
220 points

Fast Attack
Land Speeder
- HF/MM
70 points

Land Speeder
- HF/MM
70 points

Heavy Support
Vindicator
115 points

Vindicator
115 points

1,455 points

Okay, so that's it and I know it's not the best list out there, but I'm not sure what to do. Some of my concerns are my Tactical Squad load out, and my librarian power choices. I know the prefered method of deployment for sternguard w/ Libby are to GoI them around, but I don't have enough drop pods to make a good web...also they already have a Rhino? I was thinking of just using them as a counter unit as my other units hold the line...

Oh, and something's been bugging me. Should I swap the vindicators for dreadnoughts with a lascannon and twin autocannon?

Thanks

Looks solid to me, but I would get a LR in there and some Termies.

I think I'll do that at a higher point level. Right now I'm beginning to think that they may not be worth their point value at 1,500, but I suppose I'll really find out once I start playing a few games with this. Alternatively I was thinking of swapping out the vindicators and landspeeders for two dreadnoughts with Assault Cannons and heavy flamers, and two dakka preds. That'd leave my 25 points to play around with for upgrades.

Looks good, but taking the Dreads would fill up elite slots not heavy...Maybe Whirlwinds?

I'd try to fit in another MM/HF Speeder. If you shave off the Combis or drop a Sternguard you can buy it.

Frankly I think you might have gone a little overboard on the Combi's for the Sternguard. Melta I can see but with your special ammo, it seems like you have the anti-infantry covered. I'd probably just take a single HF if I was really worried about it, but I think those 20 points could be spent elsewhere (like a Power Fist for the Sarge).

Ah, alright thanks for your input. I guess I did go a little heavy into anti infintry type things. This might be in reaction to my brother making a list with 120 shoota boys screened with 12 killa kans @_@


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Okay, the redone list now comes to this:

HQ
Librarian
- Null Zone, Avenger
100 points

Elites
Sternguard
- 9 men
- 3 combi meltas 2 combi flamers
- rhino
285 points

Dreadnought
- Heavy Flamer/Autocannon
125 points

Dreadnought
- Heavy Flamer/ Autocannon
125 points

Troops
Tactical Squad
- 10 Man
- Flamer and Multimelta
- Sergeant w/ Powerfist and Combi Melta
- Rhino
240 points

Tactical Squad
- 10 Man
- Flamer and Multimelta
- Sergeant w/ Powerfist and Combi Melta
- Rhino
240 points

Tactical Squad
- 10 Man
- Plasma Gun and Lascannon
- Sergeant w/ Combi Melta
- Rhino
230 points

Fast Attack
Land Speeder
- HF/MM
70 points

Land Speeder
- HF/MM
70 points

And that's it. As you might've noticed I changed my fire base to dreadnoughts with Autocannons mainly due to their range...though I wasn't sure if Dakka preds would've been more suitable. Anyways my main concern now is if I have a good balance of anti-infantry and anti-tank gear to at least not get tabled.