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Hi

I'm considering start Imperial Guard army.
I've ask about Valkyrie list earlier. Was really cool and good list it seems.
But before I start I want to know more about other IG army list.

I'm looking for armylist/tactics which really SPECIFIC/SPECIALIZED.
I know balance is important. But I'm not interested.
So tell me about specialized armies and how these works.

Possible specialized army
*Tank army(Like steel legion?)

*Chimera Swarm(Like steel legion)

*Infantry army(Swarm of Infantry?)

*Storm Trooper Army(Much Strom Troopers untill limit. I dont know how this works but looks would be cool)

*Airborne(Valkyrie/Vendetta and veterans)

and if there is exist another specialized army teach me please.

I personally run a Russ heavy tank line (3x3 squadrons) as well as a static vet gunline with usually 4 LC platforms. I'm also working on incorporating Valks/Vends in my lists, because they can be brutally awesome.

Really though, the list you want is all dependant on how you want to play.

ifyouseekamy wrote:
Really though, the list you want is all dependant on how you want to play.

Agreed.
I want play like Blitzkrieg or Hit and run.

But yeah....tank line would be awesome too

So suggest me how to play IG.



And little question.
I've play against Imperial Guard sometime,but I've not seen Storm Troopers.
Aren't they point worth? Useless? or hard to use?

I run a MechVet list that is very strong.

1 CCS w/ 4x Melta, Chim w/ HF, ML
4 Vet Squads w/ 3x Melta, Chim w/ HF, ML
Hellhound w/ Smoke, MM
2 Vendettas
LR Plascutioner w/ HF
2 LR Demolishers w/ HF
[1750]

It is very nasty. Roll up, pop smoke, then get close and shoot them to death. Simple, effective.

em_en_oh_pee wrote:I run a MechVet list that is very strong.

1 CCS w/ 4x Melta, Chim w/ HF, ML
4 Vet Squads w/ 3x Melta, Chim w/ HF, ML
Hellhound w/ Smoke, MM
2 Vendettas
LR Plascutioner w/ HF
2 LR Demolishers w/ HF
[1750]

It is very nasty. Roll up, pop smoke, then get close and shoot them to death. Simple, effective.

Cool list.
LR is really good tank it seems....



Anyone using Storm Troopers?

I don't recommend them. I use them when I am just having fun, because Kasrkin models look awesome. Otherwise, for a competitive list, stick to pure MechVets.

em_en_oh_pee wrote: because Kasrkin models look awesome

Agreed.

Its poor because they are expensive?

I'm running a mech list with lots of russ support.

Really liking the combo. Ill post it in abit.

Shadowbrand wrote:I'm running a mech list with lots of russ support.

Really liking the combo. Ill post it in abit.

Interesting.
I want to see it

I've had success with this list and you can narrow it to 1750 w/o much trouble.

Just dump the Bane Wolf.

Thx reply.

Hmmm it seems Mech vet list is good.

well

I'v made this list. For 1000pt.

HQ
Company Command Squad:
4x Meltaguns
Chimera w/ML, HHF

Elites
Marbo

TROOPS
10 Veterans with 3x Meltagun
Chimera w/ML, HHF
10 Veterans with 3x Meltagun
Chimera w/ML, HHF
10 Veterans with 3x Plasma Gun
Chimera w/ML, HHF
10 Veterans with 3x Plasma Gun
Chimera w/ML, HHF

FAST
3 sentinel with autocannon


Marbo is for fruff.
I think 3 sentinel is....not good but I cant find any other goodies

I don't think the sents are bad, they work well with the mech list and give you some tactical flexibility at deployment.

Kasrkins are a great unit, but too expensive. A base unit of Kasrkins is 85pts. Compared to a Vets squad it is 5 v 10 men, and the vets would have points to upgrade to a heavy weapon, or a few special weapons.

The only time where Kasrkins are sorta worth the points is when you need AP3. A squad of vets has a handful of options available. In general though, their are equipped with lasguns, which have AP-. Including options, they can get a handful of shots at AP5 or AP4. To be able to get any shots at AP2 they have to buy plasma or lascannon which are both expensive and have their weaknesses.

A Kasrkin squad, however, every elite has a hot shot lasgun, with AP3. This is why the squad is so expensive. Versus a squad of 10 space marines, lets say:

Math wrote:Squad of 10 Kasrkins rapid firing at a Squad of 10 Space Marines
20 shots at BS4, 2/3 hit = 13.33 hits
13.33 hits at S3 v T4, 1/3 wound = 4.44 wounds
No saves = 4.44 unsaved wounds.

If you equip them with 2 plasma, you can get that number to over 5 unsaved wounds.

Math wrote:Squad of 10 Kasrkins rapid firing at a Squad of 10 Space Marines. (2 plasma)
16 shots at BS4, 2/3 hit = 10.67 hits
10.67 hits at S3 v T4, 1/3 wound = 3.55 wounds
No saves = 3.55 unsaved wounds.

4 shots at BS4, 2/3 hit = 2.67 hit
2.67 hits at S9 v T4, 5/6 wound = 2.22
No saves = 2.22 unsaved wounds.

3.55 + 2.22 = 5.77 unsaved wounds.

That is half a squad of Space Marines in one turn. Couple that with their Special Operations rule and Deep Strike, and their Sv4+ and you have a powerful squad. But that's a 200pt squad. In the IG army, 200pts can be a lot of things.

A 150pt Leman Russ tank has a S8 AP3 large blast template.

Math wrote:Leman Russ v Squad of Space Marines assuming 6 hits.
6 hits under large blast.
6 hits at S8 v T4, 5/6 wounds, 5 wounds
No saves, 5 unsaved wounds.

Nice clean math. All you need is get 6 hits with a large blast and you match the Kasrkin squad. With 6' range you don't need to deep strike, and with Av14 it is definitely a tough vehicle to break.

And that is basically why no one takes Kasrkins. For what they do, they are simply too expensive to put on the table. There are more point efficient options on the board than a squad of Kasrkins.

Now I'm sure if you play them right, with a Valkyrie or something like that, you could make them a menace on the board. But simply put, there are a lot of ways to use points in the IG army... and most of them are better than Kasrkins.

Ok.....So,Kasrkin are not good it seems.
Damn...they are looks sooo cool tho.

Sentinels...

How about Psyker Battle Squads?

I've made this list

1000pt Mech Psyker

HQ
Company Command Squad:
Chimera w/ML, HHF

Elites
10 Psyker Battle Squads
Chimera w/ML, HHF

TROOPS
10 Veterans with 3x Meltagun
Chimera w/ML, HHF
10 Veterans with 3x Meltagun
Chimera w/ML, HHF
10 Veterans with 3x Plasma Gun
Chimera w/ML, HHF
10 Veterans with 3x Plasma Gun
Chimera w/ML, HHF

FAST
2 sentinel with autocannon

How about this?
I dont know how useful Psyker is,but thier power is really powerful it seems.
Drop sentinels and get Primarus Psyker is good also?
Maybe drop 1 veterans and another psyker also work good?

At my FLGS, there's only two major guard players (myself and one other, who plays infantry/platoon-heavy) and some not-so-good guard players lol but anyway, the newbie players have come up to me before and asked about PBS's, and personally, I don't think they're worth it.

For one, if you go against a psychic hood, you're almost screwed. Second, they WILL get killed off, easily. And lastly, those points could be better spent on... Hydras, even. I hear those are definitely worth the points

as for my lists, I have a fairly consistent core base:

HQ:
CCS w/ Creed, LC, Vox (165)

Troops:
[3x] Vets w/ LC, Vox
[2-3x] Vets w/ AC

And then tanks.

The beauty of Creed is, you can make one squadron of tanks (Demolishers, for example) outflank. Now, this has an up-side and a down-side. Up-side is, you're pretty much behind the enemy, firing into rear armor and/or distracting them from your front lines. Down-side is, you can easily end up on the wrong side of the table that you wanted, and you might not have enough room to put them where you want them. And they're also Reserves now, which can screw you over, unless you have an Astropath/OotF to help
Another good thing about Creed is his orders, and their radius. You say you want to play Blitzkrieg-like, Creed is the man you want. 4 orders at 24" radius comes in handy, a lot.

Ooh, and one thing I've been looking into is Ogryns.
Yes, they're expensive.
Yes, they're one-model blisters.
Yes, they can be worth it.
Justification: They're about the same point cost as a Terminator, almost impossible to instant-kill, 3 wounds with a 4+ save, and ammaazzzinggg in CC. With or without Yarrick(I recommend with) these guys can be pretty beast, although quite the point sink

Thx
Creed. I see.
Yeah he would be nice.

Ogryns,I'll consider it.

Creed is only good in Platoon-heavy builds. Ogryns are just terrible. Sentinels aren't the best, either. Really, Vendettas are generally better choices for long-range anti-transport, due to their tactical flexibility.


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PBS are also rather narrow, going against Fearless armies it is just an overcosted battle cannon.

Ogryns are terrible.

Hydras are excellent.