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Getting back into 40K after a number of years and decided on a Khornite Daemon army.

The edited list:

HQ :: 550

1 Bloodthirster
-Blessing of the Blood God
-Unholy Might

1 Bloodthirster
-Blessing of the Blood God
-Unholy Might

TROOPS :: 552

8 Bloodletters
-Fury

8 Bloodletter
-Fury

8 Bloodletters
-Fury

8 Bloodletters
-Fury

ELITES

None

FAST ATTACK :: 135

8 Flesh Hound

HEAVY SUPPORT :: 480

1 Soul Grinder
-Phlegm

1 Soul Grinder
-Phlegm

1 Soul Grinder
-Phlegm


TOTAL: 1747


NOTE: Edited to remove individual point costs.

Not really a fan of Daemon armies but this one seems to be very effective, but is weak ranged and needs more tank destroying units IMO.
IMO I would go for an undivided army.

I'm sure you need to remove the individual upgrade costs if Dakka Dakka is anything like B&C.

As for the army, I don't think that Khorne Heralds are worth it really. 'Crushers and 'Letters can provide your PW infantry attacks and you really want a 'Thirster for the big anti-tank.

'Letter squads are too upgraded, the only thing that they might need is Icons and even then 1-2 is enough.
For the Icon squads, I'd probably go larger then 8, to better protect them.

I can't comment on the Blood Slaughters because I'm not aware of their FW rules but your Soul Grinders are too fancy. Just take Phlegm and lob S8 plates around the board. For bigger targets, just charge them.

Lightning234 wrote:IMO I would go for an undivided army

Thanks for the tank killing suggestion. My primary enemies will be a mechanized Eldar list, a Noise Marine list, and Orks. So tank killing is a factor.

As this is an army dedicated to Khorne, assembling an Undivided army doesn't really apply.

minigun762 wrote:I'm sure you need to remove the individual upgrade costs if Dakka Dakka is anything like B&C.

Sorry about that. Done.

minigun762 wrote:I don't think that Khorne Heralds are worth it really. You really want a 'Thirster for the big anti-tank.

I'm working on a conversion for a Bloodthirster, so it is not really an option initially. I kind of like the idea of two Str 7 Heralds as opposed to 1 Str 10 Daemon though. Split the choice of targets that way. At least, that was my thought.

minigun762 wrote:'Letter squads are too upgraded, the only thing that they might need is Icons and even then 1-2 is enough.
For the Icon squads, I'd probably go larger then 8, to better protect them.

Adding 1 model with Fury per unit was my way of having a 'Champion' type unit in each squad (a tip of the hat to my Realm of Chaos days). Initially I was going to add an Instrument in each squad too, as I really like what the upgrade does - but then I thought I would play a few games and see how many instances it would have made a difference.

I was looking at the Icon again - my initial thought was to have 2 squads with an Icon, so when i divided my army in half, there would be an Icon in each group to minimize scatter. But reading it again, the Icon doesn't affect units that come in on the same turn. So... are they really worth the points? Or should I dump the Icons altogether? I guess I'm not really sure about their tactical value.

minigun762 wrote:I can't comment on the Blood Slaughters because I'm not aware of their FW rules but your Soul Grinders are too fancy. Just take Phlegm and lob S8 plates around the board. For bigger targets, just charge them.

As to the Blood Slaughterers, I just like em. They fit thematically and are a way sexy model. How they preform on the battlefield is of less importance to me, you know? But I could drop the squad down to 2 and add a second Soul Grinder... With points saved from shaving here and there, I could have 2 Soul Grinders each with Phlegm.

Thanks for the comments Minigun762. Its good to get some critique from an experienced player. I haven't played for years.

Opinions differ on this, but I would not spend the points on icons at all generally.

The anti-tank remarks made earlier are valid. You will have trouble catching those Eldar skimmers with the slow heralds. A Bloodthirster, shooting non-Khorne units or a flying DP would do a much better job at it. Right now you have the Flesh Hounds with a chance to hurt them, and the Soulgrinders.

Nivoglibina wrote:Opinions differ on this, but I would not spend the points on icons at all generally.

Agreed. The more I look at the Icon rules, the more I am inclined to drop them.

Nivoglibina wrote:The anti-tank remarks made earlier are valid. You will have trouble catching those Eldar skimmers with the slow heralds. A Bloodthirster, shooting non-Khorne units or a flying DP would do a much better job at it. Right now you have the Flesh Hounds with a chance to hurt them, and the Soulgrinders.

Non-Khorne units are out of the question. A second Soul Grinder sounds like a solid choice. What about dropping one of the squads of Bloodletters and replacing it with another 8 Flesh Hounds? A Bloodthirster will come in time, oh yes.

Vargr wrote:

Nivoglibina wrote:Opinions differ on this, but I would not spend the points on icons at all generally.

Agreed. The more I look at the Icon rules, the more I am inclined to drop them.

Nivoglibina wrote:The anti-tank remarks made earlier are valid. You will have trouble catching those Eldar skimmers with the slow heralds. A Bloodthirster, shooting non-Khorne units or a flying DP would do a much better job at it. Right now you have the Flesh Hounds with a chance to hurt them, and the Soulgrinders.

Non-Khorne units are out of the question. A second Soul Grinder sounds like a solid choice. What about dropping one of the squads of Bloodletters and replacing it with another 8 Flesh Hounds? A Bloodthirster will come in time, oh yes.

I don't use any Icons personally, I just take my chances and use those points for more stabby guys.

Hounds can work for some light anti-tank (S5 vs AV10 rear armor) however they'll still do a much worse job then a Grinder or MC.

If I made a mono-Khorne list, it would have atleast 2 Grinders in there, possibly 3 for laying down some pie plate fun. S8 is still decent against skimmers and light armor.

EDIT: I saw you're in Oregon too, what part?

Hmm... now I'm seriously re-thinking my army composition.

I am in the Johnson Creek area, SE PDX. How about you?

Vargr wrote:Hmm... now I'm seriously re-thinking my army composition.

I am in the Johnson Creek area, SE PDX. How about you?

If I did mono-Khorne, I'd focus on
1-2 'Thirsters
1-3 squads of 3-5 'Crushers
3-5 squads of 10-15 'Letters
2-3 SoulGrinders (Phlegm)
0-1 Winged Daemon Princes

I think some decent combination can be made from those choice.

I'm in Tualatin, SW.