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mrdabba wrote:Learn to master combat tactics.

Its not just used in assaults to get out of a fight.

your marines are taking heavy fire from ap3 weapons. go to ground in or out of cover get that 3+ or 6+ save. when you lose models choose to fail and auto regroup. (of course make sure not to do this near the table edge or if it will put you within 6 of any enemy unit)

avoid assaults by chooseing to fail. that uber CC unit is read to pounce your marines into oblivion but he made the mistake of firing on the same unit to widdle them down a bit for a good pouncing. remind him that your a marine. choose to fail...fall back and in the next turn give him a face full of lead for his efforts.

got 2 units in combat with 1 enemy and you lost combat. choose to fail with one but not with the other. hopefully you hold with the other and he cant chase you down. sometimes it pays to break off your IC joined to a unit just before combat if it looks like it will last more than 1 round. if you fail to win the following round you can break off with captain to recharge the unit/another unit. or maybe its close to the end of hte game[b]...you can choose to hold with captain and break off with your troops to grab the objectiv[/b]e.

these tactics are very situational but it gives you options that most people don't think of using. combat tactics is very powerfull and I wouldnt even trade it for vulkans ability. honestly if more people used it properly people would realize that marines are are pretty decent army without all the special characters.





This is from a old post I read I was wondering what every one thought of this... Is it legal?? I have a friend that wont let it fly. What do you guys think?? Here is the whole post. It the bold/RED part I had a question on.

Cato S. wrote:you can choose to hold with captain and break off with your troops to grab the objective.





This is fropm a old post I read I was wondering what every one thought of this... Is it legal?? I have a friend that wont let it fly. What do you guys think??

If the captain was joined to the unit at the start of the turn, no, you cannot. If the captain was NOT joined and assaulted into the combat separately, then yes.

As Gwar said that is perfectly legal if they assaulted without the IC attached. However remember that if there is an enemy unit within 6" you will continue to fall back and you can not capture an objective if falling back. This could mean simply rolling under a 6 on 2D6 fallback.

Also on the note of the "go to ground if taking heavy AP3 fire" you do not take your morale check till the end of the phase, so this won't help you get out of the range of incoming fire that is currently coming in. It will however help you get further away from the firing model and be able to fire next round, though typically something firing AP3 will have a pretty long range.

The tactics are very situational as that post says, but smart use of manipulating the morale/fall back rules.