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Title says it all, how powerful are deamon princes?What kind of power do they pack, does it take a whole chapter of space marines? more?

If a Daemon Prince were really as powerful in the game as in the fluff, they would all be a 500 point Apocalypse-only model that would be the brokenest thing in 40K.

True.

According to Fluff, it takes hundreds of Grey Knights to banish a single DP.

In-game? Standard MC fair.

no 2 DPs are alike in size, power, strength, look, potential... etc

but due to the current codex it dsnt take much :-(

Depends on how much of their power the gods imbue in their prince. Some of the weaker ones probably aren't too much more powerful than some of the upper level Chaos Lords(who are on their way to becoming a prince themselves) or Chapter Masters/Grand Masters. But then there are also the ones who have so much power that it takes a full company of Grey Knights to banish them.

Daemon Princes are many and varied. There's the standard MC-type ones, but then you have guys like Doomrider who are still Space Marine-sized but obviously Daemonic. WHFB has lots of different DPs in the fluff, not all of them hulking brutes. Tzeentch's in particular might often appear humanoid.

The Jubal-thing in Horus heresy one was taken out real easy with few bolter rounds, but that was Luna wolves.

Jubal was possessed, not a daemon prince. And actually, it was over a hundred bolter rounds on full auto, as I recall.

Doombreed would probably qualify as needing a whole chapter of SMs to take him out.

Daemon Princes are generally beaten by whatever forces are at hand but only just, to make it seem like they can win.

But they cant.

See to be a Daemon Prince is to be immortal godlike being, to have great immeasurable power and yet suffer failure for all eternity to the short lifed scrubs you can never beat.

Even being a Primarch is no defense. Normally Angron could fight his way out of a paper bag, but put the imperial eagle on it and suddenly he'll get close to fighting his way out but then miraculously the paper bag will start fighting above its wait and defeat him.

Other Daemon Princes avoid continuous defeat by not leaving the house.. A sound strategy, when one considers the the WAAC nature and plot armor of their foe. Smarter Primarchs such as Not Angron do this.

But the smartest and most intelligent Daemon Prince is the one who has accepted this fact. The one who takes pleasure from his defeats and enjoys sending his followers to death and destruction. He is so mysterious he's not even in the Chaos codex because him and Cypher got caught doing blow of each other. He comes he goes. Gushing plasma! The one and only nananana! DOOMRIDER.


None can say he has tasted victory, but so often he has avoided defeat. The greatest Daemon Prince in existence.

Vindicator#9 wrote:Doombreed would probably qualify as needing a whole chapter of SMs to take him out.

Doombreed isn't a Space Marine though. He was probably Hitler or Stalin, I would imagine.

Doombreed could probably take one several chapters of Imperial space marines on at once...and win.

Keep in mind that he is likely at least 35,000 years old, almost as old as the god-Emperor.

I would say they are on par with say 1.5 or 2x Chaos Lords, so say a Chaos Lord is MORE POWERFUL, or about on par with a really kick-ass Space Marine. So say Marneus or Lysander. They are not THAT powerful, although of course they can fly, Psychic powers, etc. But I mean not even Abby is THAT powerful.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Vindicator#9 wrote:Doombreed would probably qualify as needing a whole chapter of SMs to take him out.

Doombreed isn't a Space Marine though. He was probably Hitler or Stalin, I would imagine.

Doombreed could probably take one several chapters of Imperial space marines on at once...and win.

Keep in mind that he is likely at least 35,000 years old, almost as old as the god-Emperor.

I thought they said that Doombreed was a warlord from further back than that? I always thought of Genghis Khan.

DPs are incredibly varied. There's only one hard and fast rule about this.

If they used to be a Chaos Marine, they're MORE powerful....

(Come one guys, there's only two chaos codexes, surely you can balance the ONE common unit they have...?)

Cryonicleech wrote:True.

According to Fluff, it takes hundreds of Grey Knights to banish a single DP.

Well that wasn't any randon Daemon Prince, that was Angron supported by a bodyguard of BloodThirsters.

As far as Daemon Princes, Cheese Elemental is correct, DPs are going to be a varied lot. However even the weakest will be more then a match for multiple squads of Marines.

alright maybe some more clarification is needed for my friend who asked this question, he ment what powers do they posses in general, super-human streangth and near invulnerability are kind of a given, but what levels of power as an individual would they have. Are they as strong as the increadible hulk punching thru steel bulkheads and stuff or like, or more like spider-man levels of streangth. Do they warp realtiy and bend the strands of fate in their vecinity? on a planetary scale? show me scale.

abadon09 wrote: Are they as strong as the increadible hulk punching thru steel bulkheads and stuff or like, or more like spider-man levels of streangth. Do they warp realtiy and bend the strands of fate in their vecinity? on a planetary scale?

All of the above, right? As no two DP are alike and there are so stinking many of them they all have differing abilities. Some, like the actually playable ones, punch stuff and mess it up good. Others (like the one in The Traitors Hand) do the whole corruption and misdirection thing. So some can punch out Titans, and some can screw up whole systems, but others just kill grunts and mess up countries.

Morgrim wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Vindicator#9 wrote:Doombreed would probably qualify as needing a whole chapter of SMs to take him out.

Doombreed isn't a Space Marine though. He was probably Hitler or Stalin, I would imagine.

Doombreed could probably take one several chapters of Imperial space marines on at once...and win.

Keep in mind that he is likely at least 35,000 years old, almost as old as the god-Emperor.

I thought they said that Doombreed was a warlord from further back than that? I always thought of Genghis Khan.

I AM DOOMBREED!!!!!!!

Ahem.


Anywho, Cheese has hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head-Every DP is different, and not all of them are huge MC's stomping around. If we're talking in terms of the latest CSM codex, however, it probably takes 3 small children and a large stick to banish your standard DP.

Some of them are 500 points and Apocalypse only.

*cough Angron cough*

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, it's also supposed to represent him in a WEAKENED state, not his fullpower... So, yeah. I'm guessing they could take a LOT of punishment if they're properly statted.

AFAIK a lot of their power depends on how corrupted the planet is that they were summond to, how many scrifices were made to summon them etc - But I may be thinking of Greater Daemons which are even stronger than the princes and can be thought of as the closest thing to a true Avatar of the specific God.

But yes, Chaos by it's very nature can warp reality, I've no doubt Khorne likes to extend peoples lives so that his minions can butcher them for longer. DP can do whatever you imagine they can do really, I presume your friend is either writing fan fiction or a game scenario?

hes just curious, he just started playing not to long ago,and hasn't read any of the books yet.

Yeah I'll just echo.

It really varies on how much they have appeased their God and where they are in their location to the warp. If they are in the Eye of Terror or on a Daemon World, even the weakest will be extremely powerful, while if they are maybe invading an imperial world far from the eye, they would be much more unstable.

Grey Knights generally wtfpwn most weaker daemon princes, hell, in Grey Knights something like 5-10 termies (it was a long time ago) and a Grandmaster took out a council of Lord of Changes and then the grandmaster died banishing an extremely powerful Daemon Prince (the other GKT died) and to kill a GKGM (especially being a daemon) is beyond amazing in my book because of how damn powerful these guys are in fluff.

Someone may be incredibly powerful, but when you are highly trained, know their exact weaknesses and how to exploit them and have highly specialised tools for the job, it does level the playing field.

Especially if the daemon prince in question has never encountered Grey Knights before and underestimates them.