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So, I found this on Lexicanium while recommending some pages, and realised that it's become a little out of date now.



So, being a bit bored (hungover) over the break, I thought I'd make an up-to-date, more comprehensive one. I've gone through as much of Lexicanium and old background as I can to list all the major Imperial departments mentioned. Please have a look, and let me know if there's anything I've missed!

Also, I'm not sure exactly how much detail I could go into. More? I could expand it to include IG command structure or SM Chapter structure, I suppose. The same with the various Orders of SoB and Titan Legions...

Here it is small




Here it is at full size!

Its fine, except you can't see anything without zooming in.....

2 points, I may add:

1) the custodes only report to the emperor himself, i think they should be NOT under adeptus terra.
Custodes can bar anyones access to the throne.

2) the connection between IG and PDF should be added. Maybe a special "transfer" line?

I prefer the one from the 5th edition.

Thanks

1. Although the Custodes have very important powers, structurally (according the fluff) they are a part of the Adeptus terra (part of the 'priesthood' class.

Interestingly, the Astartes are also a part of the Adeptus Terra, even though they are functionally separate. I also find it strange that the Mechanicus are part of the Adeptus, rather than equivalent in hierarchy to the Ministorum

I'd rather not structure it relative to 'how much power does each organisation really have' but rather just compose a diagram of the actual hierarchy laid out according to the fluff.

Maybe I could do something with shading and notes that shows which agencies are autonomous...?

2. Thanks, missed that one - I'll put in another line for that...

In case any wonders, the key is

Black Lines - Official Hierarchy
Red Lines - watches over, has jurisdiction over
Green/Blue Lines - has strong ties/supplies troops to

Red boxes - Military force

1hadhq wrote:Its fine, except you can't see anything without zooming in.....

2 points, I may add:

1) the custodes only report to the emperor himself, i think they should be NOT under adeptus terra.
Custodes can bar anyones access to the throne.

2) the connection between IG and PDF should be added. Maybe a special "transfer" line?

I agree, the Custodes should by in a box on their own reporting directly to the Emp.

And there should be a line above the Emp pointing to Jervis.


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I also think the adeptus mech should be up one level, reporting in to the High Lords.

Space Marines as well. Their autonomy is well-known.

IvanTih wrote:I prefer the one from the 5th edition.

Do you have an image? I've only got my little rulebook with me at the mo!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I agree, the Custodes should by in a box on their own reporting directly to the Emp.
I also think the adeptus mech should be up one level, reporting in to the High Lords.
Space Marines as well. Their autonomy is well-known.

It's true, all these organisations are well-known for their functional Autonomy. However, I'm trying to base my diagram on research of other diagrams from the fluff, not how we think it SHOULD be organised.

According to every diagram in every rulebook so far, the Space Marines are part of the Adeptus Terra. So are the Mechanicum and the Custodes. That's why they have the title 'Adeptus'. It's true that they may be functionally separate, but I'm not going to move them to a separate place because i think they should be higher up.

So i won't move the Custodes 'up' and out of the Adeptus Terra, for example, they ARE a part of the Adeptus, but I'll try and convey their importance in the next one!



Here's a few more diagrams I've stumbled upon. Now, here's where we can make decisions, as they directly contradict the other GW diagram. The first one is from the 2ed box set, does anyone know where the second one is from?

Both list the Space Marines as a PART of Administratum, but neither list them as part of the Departmento Munitorum (the section of the Administratum that deals with the Imperial Guard). They also list the Planetary Govenors under Administratum as well as the Imperial Navy.

Now, I'm sure that the Departmento Munitorium ONLY deals with the guard, not the Navy, which are separate.

How do we resolve this?

Whats the frateris Templars?

@Lord of battles: '"Whats the frateris Templars?"


Could be the Frateris militia of the other organizational charts.

Frateris militia = a bunch of heated citizens, wielding some sort of weapons and driven forward by priests of the ecclesiarchy. In other words, the 40k equivalent of empire flagellants.

@ ArbitorIan:

I didnt see the munitorum at those 2 diagrams.

Maybe something has changed over the millenia?
Actual 5th ed has only the shield with spikes as reference to the adeptus terra.
So adeptus terra = gathering of 13 adepta?

I am still not swayed to this "hierarchy" thing you believe those old diagrams show .
Seems there are "updates" in 5th ed.....

But back to your questions:

Munitorum supplies the IG. SM get supplies from the ad mech. The navy should have some ties to the munitorum, since the munitorum uses their transports and escorts.

And as the diagram actually fails to show the independence of the astartes correctly....maybe its just too outdated?

Lord of battles wrote:Whats the frateris Templars?

Hey there. The Frateris Templars were a massive elite army used by the Ecclesiarch BEFORE the Age of Apostasy. After the Age of Apostasy the Decree Passive was passed which prevented the the Ministorum from having 'men under arms', which is why they now use the Sisters of Battle. This is probably why their symbol is in dashes rather than a solid box.

The Frateris Milita are the rabble roused by preachers in wars of faith. Technically, they are not professional soldiers equipped by the munitorum, so they're completely 'unoffical' interms of Imperial Law, but they gather around any successful preacher...

I will try and read up on this as the 5th ed rulebook goes into detail about a lot of this (I think)

But it is important to note that:

1 - The Ad mech is technically a separate Empire, although it does report to their fellow Adeptus Terra. I believe that they run the Imperial Navy as well, but I will double check that.

2 - Space marines are semi-autonomous but are still under orders from the Imperium, those that continually ignore the rest of the Imperium are eventually declared Heretics.