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I have read a lot of the posts on this, and they are locked so I cant post my opinion to them. So sorry for digging this up again, i know it looks like everyone has beat this horse to death. He is how I understand the rule. I think everyone is right in the way they are reading the rule(s). I just think the follow thru needs some help.

1st. Can a deff rolla be used to tank shock, yes that is clear in the rules in the Ork codex. This is where I see it gets miss under stood. Lets say that i have another battle wagon on the other side of an enemy unit I want to tank shock. The rule allows me to tank shock the enemy unit but stop 1" away from my own, or enemy vehicle lets say.
The reason I have taken the deff rolla, at a higher cost than a ram is that NO MATER WHAT, if I tank shock a unit they are going to take at LEAST 1D6 S10 wounds. They can not just move out of the way, even if they are fearless. And if they perform a Death or Glory attack they are NO MATTER WHAT, going to take another 1D6 S10 wounds. With a ram you do not get that option. You benifit from the deff rolla. It also allows you to ram vehicles with it, BUT, you have to follow the special rules for raming vehicles in the rule book. The vehicle you rammed does not take 1D6 S10 hit or even 2D S10 hits. That is for units, thats why there is a section for ramming under the tank shock special rules. The ork codes says "ANY tank shocks" which means the standard tank shock or ramming. You may use it for both but must be resolved under the rules. The reason is that without the rams you are not allowed to tank shock, if I am correct. Well that is my 2 cents on the whole thing. The deff rolla is just an upgraded ram allowing you to tank shock and ram vehicles.

yip, thats how i play it, (when i use them...)...

and yes this has been flogged to death.....

please lock....

Opinions, as they say, are like a certain part of the human anatomy.

These ARE online forums, and their life blood is opinions, but still this one should just be left on the shelf. God is it hard to keep my trap shut about the topic!

Please god lock!

make a conclusion ahead of the game, explain what it does to your opponent and see how he would like to go about the matter, reach a balanced agreement and go from there. that is the only way to do it

OH GOD NOT THIS AGAIN!

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

-Sobs quietly in the corner-

I second this thread for immediate closure.

Keep rereading the old threads if you want opinions.

PLEASE LOCK.

net_junky wrote:I have read a lot of the posts on this, and they are locked so I cant post my opinion to them.

I hate to break this to you, but your opinion will not be new, will not bring up any useful insight, and will not change anybody's mind on anything regarding Deffrollas and Ramming or Not Ramming.

There's a reason all those threads are locked.

Pick which side you agree with, and discuss it with your opponent/TO ahead of time.

That's the best advice that anyone will give in this thread.

This one will definitely be locked.

G

Hey, lets just keep bump posting in this thread about how locked it is going to be over and over. That'll show 'em.

Again, RAW deff rollas affect vehicles.

orkcommander wrote:Again, RAW deff rollas affect vehicles.

Don't even start. We all know the arguments. Lets get this one locked up.

still not locked...........................
please lock..............................
lock
lock
lock.....LOCK!

I have a question about Deff rollas.......

I tanked shocked a group of marines and managed to kill 3,

now as i moved my battlewagon in the movement phase at combat speed

am i allowed to keep the flat blood stained bodies on the spikes or should i remove them out of respect?

I don't want to leave the comfort of my BW on the off chance of getting my head blown off!

LOCK THIS THREAD PLEEEAASSEEE!!!!!

*head explodes*

http://www.theruleslawyers.com/2009/09/deff-rollas-and-ramming-vehicles/

Just dropping this well thought out ruling here.

net_junky wrote:I have read a lot of the posts on this, and they are locked so I cant post my opinion to them.

They're locked because the topic has been beaten to death, and then jumped up and down on, and then dragged up a tree so it can be beaten some more.

I'm happy to let Deffrolla threads continue if they actually bring something new to the discussion. This one doesn't, sorry. Whilst you're certainly welcome to have an opinion on how the rolla works, this thread adds nothing new to the discussion, and so will serve no purpose other than to start the whole sorry mess going again.

On that basis, this one's a lock.



For everyone else, please refrain from posting just to ask for the thread to be locked. That's what the Mod Alert button is for.