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With the release of the Space Wolves Games Workshop FAQ, a lot of people have noticed... similarities, to my Unofficial Codex: Space Wolves FAQ. With that In mind I decided to scour the GW FAQ to find out what had been taken and to my surprise, several sections have been completely copypasted, with absolutely no attribution. :(

The sections copypasted are detailed below:

GW FAQ:
Q. If a Wolf Guard Pack Leader has joined a unit of Troops, does that unit cease to be a scoring unit? And does the Wolf Guard cease to count as an Elite model?
[...]

My FAQ:
SW.86.08 – Q: If a Wolf Guard Pack Leader has joined a unit of Troops, does that unit cease to be a Scoring Unit?
A: No. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf allow the Rune Priest to target specific models within squads?
A. Yes.

My FAQ:
SW.37.11 – Q: Does “Jaws of the World Wolf” allow the Space Wolf player to target specific models within squads?
A: Yes. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Can a Wolf Guard Pack that has nine Wolf Guard and Arjac Rockfist take a second heavy weapon?
A. Yes, as it is for ‘every five models’, not ‘every five Wolf Guard’.

My FAQ:
SW.86.04 – Q: Can a Wolf Guard Pack that has nine Wolf Guard and Arjac Rockfist take a second Heavy Weapon?
A: Yes, as it is for “every five models”, not “every five Wolf Guard”. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. How is the points cost for Lukas the Trickster calculated?
A. Lukas the Trickster costs the number of points in the options list (140) in addition to the base cost of a Blood Claw model (15).

My FAQ:
SW.89.03 – Q: How is the points cost for Lukas the Trickster calculated?
A: Lukas the Trickster costs the number of points in the Options list in addition to the base cost of a Blood Claw Model. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. If The Last Laugh removes a transport vehicle that has models embarked, are the embarked models also lost?
A. Yes.

My FAQ:
SW.52.03 – Q: If “The Last Laugh” removes a Transport vehicle that has models embarked, are the embarked models also lost?
A: Yes. [Clarification]
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GW FAQ:
Q. How does the Pelt of the Doppegangrel work?
A. Under normal circumstances, the Pelt of the Doppegangrel will only work if Lukas the Trickster is on his own (i.e. his Blood Claw buddies have all been killed off). Models with an ability to specifically target a certain model (e.g. a Vindicare Assassin) must re-roll all successful to hit rolls if targeting Lukas. The same ruling applies in close combat. Unless the enemy has a specific special rule allowing them to allocate attacks to specific models in close combat, Lukas cannot be targeted separately unless he is on his own. He really is that slippery a customer!

My FAQ:
SW.52.06 – Q: How exactly does the “Pelt of the Doppegangrel” work?
A: Under normal circumstances, the “Pelt of the Doppegangrel” will only work if Lukas the Trickster is on his own (i.e. his squad has all been killed off). Models with an ability to specifically target a certain model (e.g. Vindicare Assassin or Eldar Farseer using “Mind War”) must re-roll all successful To Hit rolls if targeting Lukas. The same situation applies in close combat. However, unless the enemy has a specific special rule allowing them to allocate attacks to specific models in close combat, he cannot be targeted separately unless he is on his own. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. How do Njal Stormcaller’s Driving Gale and Living Hurricane effects work if the Space Wolves player is the player going second?
A. These two abilities have no real effect in games where the Space Wolves player is going second – the tempest is yet to rage.

SW.53.04 – Q: How do the “Driving Gale” and “Living Hurricane” effects work if the Space Wolf Player is the player going second in the first game turn?
A: The two abilities have no real effect in games where the Space Wolf player is going second on the first game turn. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Can units that Ragnar Blackmane has joined run in the Shooting phase or fire weapons that would prevent them from launching an assault in the following Assault Phase?
A. Yes, they may. Insane Bravado states that they must assault only ‘if possible’. If it is not possible because of the unit's actions in the Shooting phase or some other reason, then they simply do not assault.

My FAQ:
SW.55.01 – Q: Can units that Ragnar Blackmane has joined Run in the Shooting phase or fire weapons that would prevent them from launching an assault in the following Assault Phase?
A: Yes, they may. “Insane Bravado” states that they must assault only “if possible”. If it is not possible because of the unit's actions in the Shooting phase or some other reason, then they simply do not assault. [R.a.W]
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Q. Is the +1 Toughness from a Thunderwolf Mount considered bonus Toughness, i.e. the model becomes Toughness 4(5), or is it a modification to the base characteristic, i.e. the model becomes Toughness 5?
A. Unusually for such bonuses, it is a modification to the base characteristic. [...]

SW.62.08 – Q: Is the +1 Toughness from a Thunderwolf Mount bonus toughness (i.e. The model becomes Toughness 4(5) ) or is it a modification to the base characteristic (i.e. The model becomes Toughness 5)?
A: It is a modification to the base characteristic (so a model with a Thunderwolf Mount is Toughness 5). [Clarification]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Can you clarify how The Leaders of the Pack works exactly?
A. The rules for selecting Sagas are detailed on page 64. As for wargear, no two HQ characters, including Special Characters, may have the exact same wargear and Weapons, even if they are different HQ units. Note that Fenrisian Wolves bought as wargear are included in this check, so if you had two otherwise identical Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, save that one has one Fenrisian Wolf and the other has two, then you are technically obeying this rule just fine. For the record, the intent of the rule is that you should field characterful and diverse heroes in your army, not identical clones with but an extra melta bomb to set them apart. Though we cannot really enforce players to embrace this attitude, the Codex does try to encourage it wherever possible.

Q. Can you clarify how The Leaders of the Pack works with regards to psychic powers?
A. No number of Rune Priests may share the exact same two psychic powers. For example, a Rune Priest may choose to take Living Lightning and Thunderclap. A second Rune Priest may then choose to take Living Lighting and Jaws of the World Wolf, as he will not have the same two psychic powers as the first Rune Priest. Note that the restriction on weapons and wargear still applies, so you have to have each Rune Priest with a unique wargear selection. Also note that Njal Stormcaller knows all seven powers rather than just two, so no other Rune Priest can end up having the same powers. Thus it is permitted to take Njal Stormcaller alongside other Rune Priests.

My FAQ:
SW.81.01 – Q: Can you clarify how “The Leaders of the Pack” works exactly?
A: When selecting HQ characters, no two models may share the same Saga. Special Characters do not count as having a Saga for this purpose (So for example, a generic Wolf Lord may take the “Saga of Majesty” even if Logan Grimnar is in the army.)

No two HQ characters, including Special Characters, may have the exact same Wargear and Weapons, even if they are different HQ units. For example, an army that includes Ragnar Blackmane may not have a Wolf Guard Battle Leader that is equipped with a Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Frost Blade, Meltabombs and the “Saga of the Warrior Born” (as well as the standard equipment remaining), as this would result in two characters having the exact same wargear and weapons. If you were to remove the Meltabombs from the Wolf Guard Battle Leader though, it would be a legal selection. Note that Fenrisian Wolves bought as wargear are included in this check, so to take two otherwise identical Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, save that one has one Fenrisian Wolf and the other has two, is a legal selection.

No number of Rune Priests may share the same two Psychic Powers. For example, a Rune Priest may choose to take Living Lightning and Thunderclap. A second Rune Priest may then choose to take Living Lighting and Jaws of the World Wolf, as neither have the same two Psychic powers. A third Rune Priest however may not select Thunderclap and Living Lighting, as the first Rune Priest has those Powers. Note that the restriction on Weapons and Wargear still applies, so you have to have each Rune Priest with a unique wargear selection. Also note that as Njal knows all seven powers rather than just two, no other Rune Priest can end up having the same Powers, thus it is permitted to take Njal Stormcaller with another Rune Priest. [Clarification]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Are Wolf Guard Packs genuine Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Elites when fielded in an army with Logan Grimnar? If so, is this optional?
A. Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. This is not an optional choice, so you can have at most six Wolf Guard Packs in an army with Logan Grimnar.

My FAQ:
SW.82.01 – Q: Are Wolf Guard Packs Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Elites in an army with Logan Grimnar? If so is this Optional?
A: Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. Furthermore, this is not an optional choice, so you can have at most six Wolf Guard Packs in an army with Logan Grimnar and three in an army without. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Similarly, are Fenrisian Wolf Packs Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Fast Attack in an army with Canis Wolfborn? If so is this optional?
A. Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. Again, this is not an optional choice, so you can have at most six Fenrisian Wolf Packs in an army with Canis Wolfborn. You could in theory have an army primarily composed of wolves, though you’d not be able to claim objectives because of their Supernumerary rule, so you’d better be prepared for a lot of draws…

My FAQ:
SW.83.01 – Q: Are Fenrisian Wolf Packs Troops selections in the Force Organisation chart instead of Fast Attack in an army with Canis Wolfborn? If so is this Optional?
A: Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops Force Organisation Chart Selections. Furthermore, this is not an optional choice, so you
can have at most six Fenrisian Wolf Packs in an army with Canis Wolfborn and three in an army without. [R.a.W]
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GW FAQ:
Q. Must a Grey Hunter unit that consists of ten models take the first special weapon at normal points cost in order to take the second free one?
A. Yes.

My FAQ:
SW.89.01 – Q: Must a Grey Hunter unit that consists of ten models have to take the first special weapon at normal points cost to take the second free one?
A: Yes. [R.a.W]
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So yeah, a little peeved. They credit Yakface, so why can't they credit me

aww you poor thing..... I'll give you credit for it though.

Go Gwar! (clap clap clap)

Because Yakface owns all the material that you publish on this site. If you have a problem with that, then please (oh pretty please) stop posting.

Nurglitch wrote:Because Yakface owns all the material that you publish on this site. If you have a problem with that, then please (oh pretty please) stop posting.

Well, two problems with that.

1) I didn't post it on Dakka, I posted a link to an external site
2) I have permission from the Admins of DakkaDakka to keep the rights to the FAQ material I post on Dakka.

So there.

They credit the site, but seriously do they need to? They could, and most likely would, site Intellectual Property rights; or some such crap.

It's GW, you expect something done properly? They probably used ctrl-x rather than ctrl-c, hoping to take down your FAQ in the process.

That being said, congrats on being considered a rules expert by GW, official credit or no. Be happy that they used your well thought out and clearly worded material, and, rather than inciting the community that should be proud its local rules troll received backhanded validation, perhaps you should contact the company about actually using your contributions in some official capacity in the future.

Nurglitch wrote:Because Yakface owns all the material that you publish on this site.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure copyright laws don't work that way.

Gwar= GW + RaW! I for one welcome the rise of our more literal masters. If only this would serve as a warning to GW to write tighter codices to begin with.

Gitzbitah wrote:Gwar= GW + RaW! I for one welcome the rise of our more literal masters. If only this would serve as a warning to GW to write tighter codices to begin with.

Now that is... well, an amazing Idea. I had never considered that my name could be considered that before.

xD

I saw this, then I saw people in N&R declaring the space wolf FAQ was victory for the R.A.I. camp.

I lol'd.

Also, copyright is weird on the internet, and weren't you (Gwar) the one who was worried about putting out a PDF for fear of lawers (both rules and state bar) either taking it, or suing you for it?

I also found it odd GWs FAQ contained points values...normally they try to hide those.

The questions answered in our FAQs have been gathered from
many sources. Some have been submitted by members of the
public, others by representatives of the online gaming
community and more still are the result of face to face
meetings with keen and inquisitive players at a myriad of
gaming events. We are always happy to consider more
questions, and aim to update these FAQs as frequently as is
practical. See the Contact Us page of the Games Workshop
website for the address to which you can send your questions.
Thanks to all those who have done so already!

That's probably their get out of jail free card right there.

And unless I'm missing something...I don't see Yak's name specifically mentioned in the Space wolf FAQ either (although he is specifically mentioned in previous FAQ's).

Pay Attention to ME!

That is all.....

GWAR, if you wrote their FAQ, why did you let Furious Charge stack with Counter-attack? That doesn't seem to be the way it's supposed to work...

GWAR, if you wrote their FAQ, why did you let Furious Charge stack with Counter-attack? That doesn't seem to be the way it's supposed to work...

sirisaacnuton wrote:GWAR, if you wrote their FAQ, why did you let Furious Charge stack with Counter-attack? That doesn't seem to be the way it's supposed to work...

Sadly that bit they made up for themselves. See what happens when you let Jervis think!

It's because Jarvis was thining of you and all the nasty nasty stuff he would do to you... you know... the 'loving' kind of stuff...

Did we really need a second thread on this?