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Hi all. I am just starting out with my Green Skins and I have 3 lists that I would like you to look at and comment on.

List No.1

HQ
Big Mek
+ Kustom Force Field

TROOPS
30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 2 Big Shootas

30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 2 Big Shootas

30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 2 Big Shootas

HEAVY SUPPORT
3 KillaKanz
+ 3 Big Shootas

3 KillaKanz
+ 3 Big Shootas

Total = 1000 Points

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List No.2

HQ
Big Mek
+ Kustom Force Field

TROOPS
30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 3 Big Shootas

30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 3 Big Shootas

30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 2 Big Shootas

20 Gretchin
+ 2 Runtherds

HEAVY SUPPORT
3 KillaKanz
+ 3 Rokkit Launchas

Total = 1000 Points

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List No.3

HQ
Big Mek
+ Kustom Force Field

TROOPS
30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 2 Big Shootas

30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 2 Big Shootas

30 Shoota Boyz
+ 1 Nob with Power Klaw
+ 2 Big Shootas

HEAVY SUPPORT
3 KillaKanz
+ 3 Rokkit Launchas

FAST ATTACK
1 Deffkopta
+ Twin-linked Rokkit Launcha

1 Deffkopta
+ Twin-linked Rokkit Launcha

Total = 1000 Points

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Both lists are very similar. The second has less Kanz but the Kanz it does have include some anti-transport weapons. It also has a line of Gretchin to walk in front of the Boyz to make sure the have a cover save.

I will be facing Mech Marines, New Nids (no idea what list he will make), Tau shooting and a Chaos Marine Lash list in my current gaming group. Should I go with the second for the anti tank, or will the first list provide the anti tank i need in the form of CC attacks?

Please comment and thank you.

Nice Kan wall.

I would put Grotzookas on the kanz and rely on cc for antitank. Your opponent won't be able to take down 6 kanz + 3 PK nobz, each hidden in a blob of 29 boyz. Meanwhile, the grotzooka is really devastating against ant troublesome infantry - esp against nid swarms that could tarpit you in cc.

I wouldn't run the second list. Since you're already using the Kans as a wall, you don't need the gretchin.

If you're worried about tanks, get deffkoptas instead of kans. At 1000 pts I run 3 x 30 shoota boyz, 30 gretchin, warboss + 4 deffkoptas with TL rokkits (two have buzzsaws). EDIT: Sorry, wrong point list - 1000 pts list is 2x30 boyz, 1x 18 boyz, 29 grotz, warboss and 4 koptaz.

if i were to choose i would skip boys with shootaz and gretchin. go for what the orks do best, and bet the crap out of the enemy lines. gretchin is nothing. they take place, but does nothing but dies, so skip them

Kveldulv wrote:Nice Kan wall.

I would put Grotzookas on the kanz and rely on cc for antitank. Your opponent won't be able to take down 6 kanz + 3 PK nobz, each hidden in a blob of 29 boyz. Meanwhile, the grotzooka is really devastating against ant troublesome infantry - esp against nid swarms that could tarpit you in cc.

I wouldn't run the second list. Since you're already using the Kans as a wall, you don't need the gretchin.

If you're worried about tanks, get deffkoptas instead of kans. At 1000 pts I run 3 x 30 shoota boyz, 30 gretchin, warboss + 4 deffkoptas with TL rokkits (two have buzzsaws).

The problem with putting Grotzookas on the Kanz is that I just dont have the points to spare. I need to run the Kanz as basic as they get in order to stay under 1000 points.

I have heard of Deffkoptas being run with a buzzsaw as Anti-tank. Never done it myself though so I dont know how effective it is.

I could replace 3 Kans with 2 units of 1 Deffkopta, each with a Buzzsaw. This would make my Kan wall much smaller but I could blow up some transports early in the game with the buzzsaws. Anyone have any experience of this?

I think you're best served going deffkopta or kan wall all the way, not mixing.

Switching from big shoota to grotzooka makes each killa kan 5 pts dearer, so 30 pts for 6 kanz... That you can easily save by dropping big shootas on the boyz! The grotzookas + regular shoota boyz saturate infantry anyway.

If you want to go the deffkopta way: I've got some experience with buzzsaws, and I really like them though I don't depend on them. Here's why: With my scout move I usually turboboost the koptas 24" ahead, giving them a 3+ cover save or placing them out of LOS. On my first turn I pepper tanks with rokkits and if the rokkits fail I use the buzzsaws to finish the tanks. Str 7 is good enough for most rear and side armour. And if I get first turn, thats usually an automatic hit since the tank hasn't moved.

It looks like a well-built list to me. Good balance in units and a very overwhelming force in both lists. However, I think the second list will work better against said opponents.

I would not go without Bosspoles.

I have updated my original post with a third list. This third list adds more anti-transport rokkit launchas to my arsenal. The hope is that I can pop a transport or two and keep my boyz moving up to the tasty goodness inside them.

Regarding Bosspoles: With units of 30 strong I really don't see the point in paying the points for them.

Please post thoughts on the list. My thanks.

Daemon_Dave wrote:Regarding Bosspoles: With units of 30 strong I really don't see the point in paying the points for them.

Well just remember when you actually stop being Fearless if you fail a morale roll you can't regroup when your unit starts heading for the hills

I can only say what I've said before: Either go with six kans or go with the deff koptas. A screen of three kans will quickly collapse, 2 deffkoptas without buzzsaws won't scare any tanks or transports.

List #1 Hands Down!

I would take out the Big Shootas from the Boyz for the grotzookas on the Kans. Grotzookas are amazing and reallllly worth it. They will blow the Hell out of anything that you need them to when it comes to infantry. Thats the only suggestion that I can make. If you do that, your list will be tough as nails for 1000 points. Awesome Job.