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I got myself the starter and Vayl and am really becoming attatched to the 8 fury on her over Lilith, and her abilities are wicked good as well. Anyways.

Looking at picking up some harriers, are they really worth it? They are the same points as Shredders but can auto hit.

Is my money better spent other places in warbeasts or infantry? Idk, I be new and wondering what will give me the most flexibility in my playstyle so I don't run the same thing every time.

At 15 pts? I think her list is going to be a tight fit (said the lady to the Bishop). She
doesn't really need True Strike as you never want her in hand to hand. Her spell Incite
is enough to increase the MAT and P+S of her warbeasts.

Hrm.

yeah, i guess i was thinking along the lines of that the trustrike was a "target model" so i could use it on the carnivean and just have to boost damage. Anyways...

I have heard that flight can be kind of rediculous? I think that was more for the seraph because it can do attacks while it moves or something.

So... just walking across the board with tenacity, i guess, is better?

Thinking of the harriers as a real glass cannon with my light warbeasts cuz they could just fly over your dudes and smash your caster if they all trustrike and then boost damage? And Vayl's control range is so far that this can be possible and even very effective against a melee warlock.

Only problem would be that they would be using all 8 of her fury to try to snipe a caster, leaving the carnivean to do nothing but stand there and just hope that i can use the carnivean's animus and just have one of the harriers die and leach its fury. idk.

So basically, the harriers get in range and charge your warlock, truestriking and boosting damage on all 4 of them. Carnivean sits back and uses his animus (yeah, i know im 2 over my fury but at this point im going for the kill) so if the warlock does survive, he would need some kind of swimming feat to get to me, and he would have to kill something to get there so i can just take its fury and transfer damage to the carnivean, heal it next turn and go for the kill with the carnivean.

This all sound like a sound tactic? It's really glass cannony but that seems to be the way to play hordes/warmachine as far as i have learned

Harriers have 1 attack and 2 Fury.

If you charge, that's 1 Fury, and if you cast True Strike that's 1 Fury. You will only get one attack with True Strike.

Even with Incite that's just one hit at P+S 12, an average hit of P+S 22. The trouble is, fliers don't
ignore freestrikes anymore. So your harrier might eat it before they even get close.

Here's the trouble with transfers. You have to know ahead of time how many transfers you're likely
to take and how much fury you will need. Another problem with transfers is that every hard hit
that you transfer essentially deals 3-4 extra points of damage to a Vayl army, making it easier
for them to kill your Carnivean. And if they do kill your Carnivean with transfers, then everything
else bounces back onto her.

Forgot charging generates fury >.< Still new at this lol

Well, since flying provokes attacks, that kind of makes it pointless, does it not? And that seems to be the harriers' biggest prop over shredders.

I think it ends up that shredders can go rabid and do so much more with that than truestrike really does for them.

So, would one say that taking maybe 3 shredders instead of the carnivean would be an even slightly good choice? I honestly don't know, as only being played like 3 games, only 2 of them being with legion.

That depends if you can get your Shredder spam to eat heavies and light
warbeasts before they eat each other.

What are Harriers for? They're mostly for melee warcasters who want to guarantee
a hit rather than count on boosting. So Thagrosh really needs to punch DEF 18 Sorscha
in the Face uses True Strike and BAM, 6 fury left to buy 3 more auto-hitting attacks.

Think I might just try both out in the next gaming night to see what I like to play as. Actual slow grow league doesnt start for another few weeks.

The other thing is that True Strike only works on the next attack, not all attacks. I think
your theory included thinking about it as buying both with True Strike.