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so assuming no vehicles... how do i get to those dang objectives?
obvious answer is to run when you can but standard guard are not going to be able to punch a hole through defending units so it seems that going on the offensive while on foot is almost impossible.

any ideas?

Outflank a blob platoon with Al'Rahem.

Stormtroopers in numbers or Harker perhaps. Both quite expensive though...

sorry guys, i should have included...

lets assume no special characters as well.

You will not be able to easily grab objectives on the other side of the board with an all foot-slogger list.
Your best bet IMHO would be to use a blob squad of 50 guard lead by either a Commisar or cannoness with the book of St. Cheeze. The goal is to get an un-modifyable leadership of a 10.
Use this squad to move forward, using your best 'battleplan ameoba' imitation. Give them supporting fire with the rest of your army, and target units that can assault first.
By turn 5 or so, your blob should be able to hold middle of the board, allowing you to claim enough objectives to win.

thanks labmouse, i had a feeling that it would be something like that.
im pretty much screwing myself by saying no vehicles or special characters but im trying to work with what i have and my group usually doesnt like special characters.

Yeah, the blob squad of 30 to 50 guardsmen works like a charm. I use them frequently and I tell you, once they are plopped down on an objective, they are not easily moved.

I prefer a normal commissar as he can't be singled out in combat. Otherwise, you have to hide the commissar lord/yarrick in the middle against a scary assault unit as if they get killed, that squad is getting run down. A rerollable leadership 9 is pretty reliable.

I like to equip the squad with all flamers, and power weapons and melta bombs on the commissar and sarges as that makes the squad really nasty in combat. Plus if they get charged by something like a dread, they can kill it without getting stuck all game.

The squad works really, really well, you will be surprised at its effectiveness. I like to use a 20 man squad with a commissar, autocannons and p.guns to babysit my objective as well.

Good luck!

usernamesareannoying wrote:thanks labmouse, i had a feeling that it would be something like that.
im pretty much screwing myself by saying no vehicles or special characters but im trying to work with what i have and my group usually doesnt like special characters.

Tell your group to get with the times. Many current army builds simply can't exist without special characters.

our group is the same, no special characters...... period.

OP, are you running with a theme here or is this stuff a comp kind of restriction? If your "rules" can be bent, how far are you willing to go? IE, sentinels? Or absolutely nothing with an armor value period? How about inquisitional allies?

Hawkins wrote:our group is the same, no special characters...... period.

Why's that?

grankobot wrote:OP, are you running with a theme here or is this stuff a comp kind of restriction? If your "rules" can be bent, how far are you willing to go? IE, sentinels? Or absolutely nothing with an armor value period? How about inquisitional allies?

hey grank, im merely dealing with what i have... lots of guard on foot and no vehicles. as far as special characters are concerned my group has simply gotten away from them.

Well, there are 2 ways you could handle this kind of thing without fast vehicles. Either you flood the board with infantry or you hold one, and contest the other with outflanking and deep striking units.

To flood the board you'll want a bunch of blobbed up platoons w/ ld buff attachments, like a commissar or a canoness/palatine to keep them around. There are 3 problems with this.

Firstly, a smart opponent will assault you on part of the unit that isn't within 3" of the objective which can pull you out of range of it. All he needs is to beat you in combat, which isn't difficult and you'll be 2 6" pile-in moves off of the objective.

Secondly, flamers will push your gak in. This one is kind of obvious. lol

And finally, tank shock. You've got a sergeant with meltabombs... and that's about it. Do you really want to trust him to stop a tank with DoG? Because if he doesn't, you're pushed off the obj and there's not much you can do about it.

(Also, in order to field enough models to make this work you have spend a lot of cash, which might lead you to ask yourself "why didn't I just buy vehicles?")

The other way would take either ratlings (lol) or storm troopers, since they're the only infantry units in the codex that don't require character support to outflank or DS. There are 2 things that make a unit viable for this strategy - they either need to be tough, or they need to be able to come on late in the game. Well, they use normal reserves rules, so you can't contest last minute with them very easily. As far as being tough.... um, yeah. They're fragile, expensive, and did I mention fragile? lol

Ask your group if they wouldn't mind you running Al-Rahem. Either that or try to find some cheap chimeras, which will totally change the game for you.

If you absolutely 100% can't do either of those things, pretending that your little pink dudes are actually burly green dudes will probably serve you best. Just don't expect it to be a killer army list, because running IG with no vehicles and no characters is a serious handicap.

enlist some penal legion squads....rolling for their special abilities hsould be fun, especially if you get knife fighters...

our group is the same, no special characters...... period.

That is wiggity wack.

I don't know why some gamers get into that mindset. It is a hangover form third ed. The game nos is DESIGNED around taking special characters. Saying no to that is just making gak up. Might as well say no troops choices or no elites, or something else equally silly.

Oh well, glad that isn't me because I don't stand for people telling me what I can bring to a game. So long as you are a nice to play against and everyone has a good game, what does it matter what you bring?

I just table my opponent or at least his troops. I realize that isn't much of a strategy per se but I like to have boatloads of ordinance weapons 5-7 in a 1500 point list. There are few troop choices in the game that can withstand that kind of punishment

5th edition replaced army wide rules like chapter traits and regimental doctrines with opponents-permission-not-required special characters that you can use to represent a specially skilled character in your army, not necessarily the particular one individual.

As for foot slogging for objectives, walk across the board and hope that they do not have whirlwinds, flamers, or assault units. If you took al'rahem you could at least reduce this to "hope that they do not have whirlwinds, flamers, or assault units within effective range of a table edge"