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Right so many of you will probably think I'm crazy for this list having so many hawks but there is a method to my madness. Firstly, the new Eldar FAQ states Hawks can deepstrike and Skyleap in the same turn and their haywire grenades make the better tank hunters than fire Dragons. Anyway here's the list:
HQ
Baharroth
Autarch with Swoopinh Hawk Wings, Power Weapon and Avenger Shuriken Catapault


ELITES
Troupe Master with Fusion Pistol and a Power Weapon, 4 Harlies all with Kisses and 2 Fusion Pistols, plus one shadowseer
Wave Serpent with Twin Linked Shuriken Catapults and VEctored Engines


TROOP
5x Jetbikes with one Shuriken Cannon
5x Jetbikes with one Shuriken Cannon
4x Jetbikes with one Shuriken Cannon


FAST ATTACK
Swooping Hawk Exarch with Sunrifle, Skyleap, Intercept and 9x Swooping Hawks
Swooping Hawk Exarch with Sunrifle, Skyleap, Intercept and 9x Swooping Hawks
Swooping Hawk Exarch with Hawks Talon, Skyleap, Intercept and 9x Swooping Hawks


HEAVY SUPPORT
Wraithlord with Wraithsword, Star Cannon
Wraithlord with Wraithsword, Brightlance

So thats the list. So far my tactics basically are standard, wraithlords draw fire whilst picking off the occasional model whilst the Jetbikes attack the flanks and weak points of the enemy. The Hawks are my main Vehicle Killer, assualting them and taking the out. The two HQ's join one Hawk squad each and deepstrike and skyleap in the same turn dropping the templates around, annoying enemy

Interesting list!
I'm worried that you have a too high opinion of the vehicle killing capabilities of the Hawks. They need to stay around and survive for a turn in order to be able to assault.

I don't think you can have 3 fusion pistols in a Harlequin unit, 2 is the maximum.

Ohh yeah, gave one to the troupe leader and forgot about it lol. Still Hawks are jump infantry and fleet so they can cover the ground incredibly quickly if deployed in a 'safe' zone. I' hoping that the enemy squads get pinned so I can deepstrike out of LOS and they can't move to face the hawks.

I think you can manage without the harlequins, I don't see them fitting in and I don't think you can give them a dedicated serpent. Your low on troops and 5 man jet bike squads will have a hard time surviving not to mention holding objectives. I guess if you drop the harrlies you could take a serpent with DA or maybe beef up your jetbikes.
Not sure if I like the wraithlords but your army does lack some tough units, otherwise I would like 2 squads of flanking war walkers better

As an avid Hawks player I have to give you a heads up that this list will get crushed sadly.

10 man hawk units are horrifically overcosted, it doesn't' matter if you have 5 or 10... they die ridiculously easily. In order to get those hawks into close combat with a vehicle you have to land and assault the next turn. The odds of them living is very slim unfortunately because if they are assaulted... they are dead, if they are shot at by most anything, they are dead, and their DS makes a pretty little blast marker/flamer template formation. On paper you will say that you can land strategically and move in, remember the scatter gods hate you and no plan survives war.

Baharroth is so stupidly overpriced it makes my head spin. He goes down like a german lady of the night to any type of power weapon or mass fire. For 200+ points your equating him to 2 fire prisms, 2 wraithlords, a landraider, etc. 3 s5 shots and fearless on a unit of hawks is not worth that at all.

Autarch, if you go with this configuration take the fusion gun instead of catapult. DSing in and putting a BS6 melta shot into something IS worth the point cost.

Harlies can't take a serpent, fusion pistols are pricey for their range and if you hit a tank with it then it can blow up in your face... literally. 5 Harlies with Kisses and a seer is good for CC.

Jetbikes, jugding from the Shuiken Catas you plan to get these in fighting. I'll warn you that jetbikes have a very nasty habit of failing moral and running off the board, the warlock is actually worth the points.

Wraithlords, never been a fan of shooty lords. If your using them for missle-sponging take a wraithsword. 100pts is a cost effective sponge, anything past that doesn't become very tactically sound.



This is my typical list, as you can see a lot in common.

Farseer
Autarch w/ SHW, Fusion gun, power weapon, banshee mask
Dragon serpent
2x 3 jetbikes + lockbike 2/ embolden and SS
2 DA serpents
2-3 units of 5 hawks, skyleap, 2 with sunrifle, 1 with Talon
2 Fire Prisms

Ok so dropping the Harlies in favour of DA probs. Lowering hawk squads to 5 each. What should I get next Fire Dragons maybe? Barharroth is also getting dropped. Should I add another Autarch maybe? Farseers aren't so useful since all the new codex's came out. Should I add a squad of Vipers in too? I know most people like warwalkers instead but Fritz has showed me hou useful they are. Suggestions would be great.

Fire dragon serpents are never a bad thing, Can't take vipers if you ahve 3x hawks. If your going Wraithlord heavy you might as well toss in another one. Farseers are incredibly useful... not sure where you got the info otherwise lol. 10 Dire avengers with exarch dual Catapults and Bladestorm, in a serpent, with a Farseer attached with doom. Doom the target then bladestorm for 27 shots BS 4 5 shots BS 5 and reroll any failed to wound. Plus stap on Runes of Warding and suddenly enemy psykers are killing themselves when they try to cast.

I'll add that into the list but I'm afraid of being considered cheesy for 3 wraithlords. I'll add the farseer maybe with warlocks but probably not to save points for the wraithlord. I'll have the revised list up soon.

Eh anyone with half a brain won't cry cheese at 3 wraithlords, they go down like a German hooker if lascannons, longfangs, PK Nob w/ boys, Terminators with storm hammers, Tau, etc are on the board

Ok here is the updated Army List

HQ
Autarch with Swooping Hawk Wings, Power Weapon and Avenger Shuriken Catapult
Farseer with Jetbike, Runes of Warding, Runes of Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Doom, Mind War, Guide


ELITES
Fire Dragon Exarch with Fire Pike, Crack Shot, Tank Hunter and 4 Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent with Vectored Engines, Twin Linked Shuriken Cannon


TROOP
5x Jetbikes with one Shuriken Cannon
5x Jetbikes with one Shuriken Cannon
each with a Warlock with Embolden
Dire Avenger Exarch with Twin Shuriken Cannons and Bladestorm
Wave Serpent with Vectored Engines, Twin Linked Shuriken Cannon


FAST ATTACK
Swooping Hawk Exarch with Sunrifle, Skyleap, Intercept and 5x Swooping Hawks
Swooping Hawk Exarch with Sunrifle, Skyleap, Intercept and 5x Swooping Hawks
Swooping Hawk Exarch with Hawks Talon, Skyleap, Intercept and 5x Swooping Hawks


HEAVY SUPPORT
Wraithlord with Wraithsword, Star Cannon
Wraithlord with Wraithsword, Brightlance
Wraithlord with Wraithsword, Star Cannon

Well, vectored engines are only useful if the Serpents move flat out (>12'').
Otherwise, they are redundant.

wuestenfux wrote:Well, vectored engines are only useful if the Serpents move flat out (>12'').
Otherwise, they are redundant.

Thats star engines your thinking of. Vectored Engines keep the alive after an immobilized result

idget wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, vectored engines are only useful if the Serpents move flat out (>12'').
Otherwise, they are redundant.

Thats star engines your thinking of. Vectored Engines keep the alive after an immobilized result

Nope, the Vectored Engines protect you from turning an "immobilized" result into a "wrecked", which can happen if you move/have moved flat out, not on a regular move.

Niv is correct, vectored engines prevent a vehicle that has full out from becoming a wreck if it suffers a immobilized result. Very situational and not worth it's points typically.

Farseer on Jetbike take only 2 powers, spending points on something situational isn't really worth it. Buy what you will be using and focus the role of the Farseer. Witnessing isn't needed as you should have that Farseer attached to a jetbike squad and it will then benefit from embolden (Psyker test is a leadership test, you get to reroll if failed).

Yes definitely give the locks spears, you'll want them for vehicle opening. IF possible squeeze one more jetbike into each of those packs to get 2 S Cannons per.

Take out the Fire Dragon Exarch, 5-6 regular fire dragons will get the job done. The Exarch, for his point cost, doesn't do anything for the unit.

Still have 9 man Hawk units, already spoke on that one though.

Wraithlord with a starcannon will not be a good choice. Starcannons are drastically overcosted and if your running shooty Wraithlords it's probably better to take EML or Lance.

Definitely take out the fire dragon exarch, the only reason to take an exarch for them is to take a flamer for those rare times that you want to give the unit a bit more flexibility. But its almost always better to just use the points elsewhere, maybe add an extra dragon or two.

Problem with three WL in this list is that they arent likely to be near a psycher each turn, so their wraithsight may be a real problem. Every other turn one of them wont be doing anything.

Strongest suggestion of all: find some people who are willing to play with "counts as" and playtest those hawks squads. Large squads of hawks just are NOT strong. Please test them out a few times, there is always a chance that somehow they will fit into your play style but the odds are that they just wont perform.



Sliggoth

I like taking the vectored engines and star engines for my eldar. you can strike anywhere on the board very quickly. I've won a few games from simply moving into the enemy deployment area/objective and then being unable to kill my troops that I dropped off.

That's the Bahzhakhain style of playing.

Ok so I have decieded to drop the fire dragon exarch for star engines on the serpents plus 2 more dragons Typo on the list though. Only 5 man squads of Hawks