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So I'm currently building a fully robed counts as army for Space Wolves and was thinking of taking the following list. Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated.

HQ

Rune Priest-110
Living Lightning, Murderous Hurricane, Cyber-Raven

Rune Priest-100
JotWW (or LL), Storm Caller

Elite

Lone Wolf-85
Terminator Armor, SS, Chain Fist

Lone Wolf-85
Terminator Armor, SS, Chain Fist

Wolf Guard-235
2xWG in PA, one w/Combi-Flamer, One w/Combi-Melta, Both w/PF (these are attached to the GH squads)
3xWG in TA w/Combi-Melta
Drop Pod

Troops

8 GH-190
MotW, PW, Melta, Rhino


8 GH-190
MotW, PW, Melta, Rhino

5 GH-155
Razorback w/TL Assault Cannons, Melta


5 GH-155
Razorback w/TL Assault Cannons, Melta


5 GH-150
Razorback w/TL Assault Cannons, Flamer

Heavy Support

6 Long Fangs-180
Razorback w/TL Heavy Bolter, 5xMissile Launchers

6 Long Fangs-180
Razorback w/TL Heavy Bolter, 5xMissile Launchers

6 Long Fangs-180
Razorback w/TL Heavy Bolter, 5xMissile Launchers

Total Models:58 (Infantry)
Total Vehicles:9
Total Points:1995

So let me know what you guys think

Well, sounds a bit confusing.
There are two WG, each of which going with a GH unit,
while the RP's go with the WG ?

The Rune Priests will be riding in the two rhinos with the GH's and their WG sergeant. Sorry if that was confusing.

Mmmm, well I think it has a good core, but is a bit rough round the edges to be honest...

- My main problem is that Wolf Guard pack, I remain adamant that ten-men Grey Hunters is better than Grey Hunters w/ Wolf Guard. I mean, theyre cheaper and have access to a 2nd special weapon! So yeah, I'd drop the Wolf Guard from the Grey Hunter packs. The only problem this leaves you with is the Rune Priests...

- On a similar note to the above I wouldnt recommend a Power Weapon for Grey Hunters, a Wolf Standard and MotW is enough counter-assault, and I'd argue a Wolf Standard being more deadly than power weapon, particually if you have a WG or RP in with them. Basically, I'd say the standard load out for GH's is: 10x GH, 2x Melta, Wolf Standard, MotW, rhino - 215pts. I'd still drop the Power Weapon even if you insist on the WG anyways!

- For the Rune Priests I'd wonder about either putting them in with the GH w/ Razorbacks, or give them some Fenrisian Wolves and put them in the Long Fangs razorbacks? The only problem with this, is that unlike the rhinos, you cant use Psychic powers from the top of a razorback, as such you may consider swapping 2 of the Long Fangs razorbacks for rhinos and putting the priests in there with some wolves? (wolves can provide slight counter-assault, although tbh I cant remember whether they can only go in LR's?)

- Everything else looks good, I'd wonder if 31 meq's (albeit in 5 squads) is enough troops? but I remain adament about dropping the WG and replacing them with something else worth about 200pts! I mean, I feel you could do with an 'ace up your sleeve', something particually (and maybe even surprisingly good), but deadly, if you know what I mean? I mean, theres nothing bad with your list (expect maybe the WG ), but there's nothing particually special about it if you dont mind me saying so... Im wondering about a dreadnought, uber-tough HQ, thunderwolves?

Anyways, hope that helped, good luck!

Dave.

Just Dave has got it right on the GH squads and WG with GH squads. GH squads are just fine at 10 man and MoW. I add standards if I have the points.

I would not give the LF's razorbacks and simply deploy them with rune priests in terrain.

I would give the 5 man GH squads flamers and swap out the assault cannons for lascannon/plasma on the razorbacks.


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Here is my current 2k space wolves list:

Bjorn
Rune Priest w/term armor/CotS/JotWW/LL
Inq Lord w/hood/tarot/2xmystic/3xvet guard w/melta

3 x 10 man GH w/2xmelta/MoW/Standard/Rhino
1 x 5 man IST squad w/2xmelta

3 x rifleman dreads

1 x 6 man LF squad w/5ml/razorback
1 x 6 man LF squad w/5ml/rhino

I put the IST squad in the LF razorback and the Inq lord in the LF rhino

Thanks for the responses guys.

@Dave

I think you've misinterpreted the way I'm going to run my list. The GH's aren't for counter-assault. They are an assault unit.

For the units purpose I've found that a single special weapon doesn't compete with having a ride for my priests and a WG w/a combi-weapon. It's a medium punch unit instead of a place holder.

The other WG in TA are a suicide drop team to take out landraiders and make life annoying for backfield troops if they don't shoot the immediate threat.

I had forgotten about the standards though so I might add one of those in.

@Weasel

The other Razorback are there for 2 reasons. One is that they are mobile cover for the other transports while acting as extra firepower. The second reason is DoW missions mean that I can get my Missile teams into a good position when it comes on instead of just walking into the open.

I prefer the Assault cannons rate of fire to the lascannon/plasma. It's also twice as good for taking out LR's that get closer.

What kinds of tactics do you use for your list Weasal? are the GH's for counter-assault only? How do you deal with T-Hammer and multiple Raiders? Just curioius.

Hulksmash wrote:What kinds of tactics do you use for your list Weasal? are the GH's for counter-assault only? How do you deal with T-Hammer and multiple Raiders? Just curioius.

GH's are indeed for counter assault only. They're in rhinos. I hop out, dakka and wait to be assaulted.

My only raider defense is 4 squads with 2 meltas in each. If I can't kill all the raiders prior to depleting my meltas, I'm in a bit of trouble.

As far as termies are concerned, I really have been quite successful with just dakka and counter assault.

The list is designed to take as much advantage of the die roll for first turn, either in deciding to go first or second.

I am working on a logan list atm with a lc lf squad for serious long range anti-tank.

Hulksmash wrote:Thanks for the responses guys.

@Dave

I think you've misinterpreted the way I'm going to run my list. The GH's aren't for counter-assault. They are an assault unit.

For the units purpose I've found that a single special weapon doesn't compete with having a ride for my priests and a WG w/a combi-weapon. It's a medium punch unit instead of a place holder.

The other WG in TA are a suicide drop team to take out landraiders and make life annoying for backfield troops if they don't shoot the immediate threat.

I guess I misinterpreted it as, as Weasel put it "GH's are indeed for counter assault only. They're in rhinos. I hop out, dakka and wait to be assaulted.", is generally the way GH's are used! I remain adamant that a 10 Man unit with Standard and MotW and 2x special are better, as they pack more punch when they shoot after disembarking and the MotW and Standard adds a substantial CC punch. Even so, I definately wouldnt use that power weapon! But running them as you intend to is fine and superior in terms of assault, but tbh my suggestion is cheaper, shootier and more flexible! Either way will work, but as I said, 10 men is, tbh, probably better?

But yeah, I recognise the role of the remaining WG (I play CSM's too so I know about termicide), however I have never been a fan of termicide (or using any MeQ's as a throw-away unit in that case), hell you may even consider losing the TDA? just a thought. As with your set-up with the Grey Hunters, it works fine, but I feel it could be better...


Also, I agree with you that Assault Cannon Razorbacks are superior for what you've intended and will provide much better fire support for the deployed troops, so I'd keep them! And I feel you have suitable Landraider defence, particually if you have 10 man GH's!

Finally, in response for your comment about how your intend to use the LF's Razorbacks, they could, as I said, be swapped for rhinos and transport the Rune Priests, or use them to transport your Lone Wolves.

Anyway, once again, good luck.