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I've been playing Fallen Angels using Dark Angels Codex.
But I had little hard time and bit bored with Dark Angels.
So I've decide to make my angels "FALLEN".
Yes,I want to play Fallen Angels using CSM Codex now.

I have these models following:
28 Normal Marines(2 flamer,2 missile,2 sergeant,2 plasma cannon....but CSM cant use plasma cannon right?). And also some devastator here may be 3 model with various weaponsleft.
22 Termies(1 heavy flamer,1 lightning claw,1 TH/SS,3 powerwepon,19 powerfist,1 assault cannon but CSM cant use assault cannon right?)
1 Termie chaplain
1 Termie Librarian
1 Sammael(Jet biker)
6 Bikes + 1 attack bike(detachable)
1 Dread
1 Cypher!

With these,I have made list for 1000pt


HQ

Daemon Prince(Winged,Warp Time. Using Sammael)

Chaos Lord(Termie,Daemon Weapon. Using TH/SS model)


Elite

10 Termies(7 Power fist,1 lightning claw,2 power weapon 1 heavy flamer. 1 champion)

Troops
10 Chaos Marine(1 Flamer)

10 Chaos Marine(1Flamer)

I know this is really really bad list.
So please teach me how to do make CSM army with my miniatures.

And I dont want to use chaos icons. I know these are useful but its not fit my fruff.

I'm looking for 1500 pts army list also.

It is going to be hard to capitalize on the strengths of the chaos list with the models you currently have. Your list looks like it will have difficulty destroying vehicles and is low on mobility. I would strongly encourage you to consider the icons as:
a)they act as teleport homers and b) they allow you to buff your limited selection of models.
Consider Icons as different training regiments or special abilities (enhanced shield technology, lightning reflexes, special close combat training, etc...)

You are right that Chaos is unable to take assault cannons or plasma cannons (outside of oblits). You could probably use your assault cannon as a 'counts as' reaper autocannon on a terminator. Normally this is considered a subpar choice but your list looks very light on anti-tank.

HQ
Deamon Princes with wings are a strong option although I could see some people having trouble with you using Sammael in this capacity.
Consider using your libriarian as a chaos sorcerer - perhaps with lash to help with your mobility issues against other armies with any non-mechanized choices on the board. You could also us Sammael as a sorcerer or lord on bike which would likely have less issues. I personally do not like deamon weapons on chaos lords, I would run mine with lightning claws (which you look able to do).

Troops
The stock Chaos Space Marines are usually best used with a rhino and 2 of the same special weapons (often meltaguns). I would highly recommend putting an IOCG on them as they do not have ATSNNF and thus can break and run or fail to regroup. In your current setup I don't see the flamers being effective. In my experience, it is difficult to line up good shots with Flamers on foot.

You might either put your missile launchers in a 10 man CSM squad or put them in a havoc squad (generally considered to be a so-so heavy choice) which would allow your stock CSMs to move up field (As each has a bolter, pistol, and CCW) they fight like assualt marines in close combat.


FA
To emulate the dark angels style of play you could use 2 minimum squads of bikers with a Icon of Chaos Glory (cheapest icon they can take) to guide your deepstriking termis.

Elite
Speaking of terminators, It seems like you will need to be running a termi heavy list unless oyu plan on buying more models. Your current Terminators are unable to take advantage of two biggest strengths of chaos terminators:1) Lower point cost due to lack of a fist/ smaller squads and 2)Combiweapons.

I would suggest taking 2 or 3 smaller squads in conjuction with the bikes rather than 1 10 man squad which can be easily avoided. I would recommend putting some icons on them (khorne for CC, Tzneetch for 4++, or ICOG to prevent leadership issues). If you have any plasma bits left over you culd convert some combi-plasma for your terminators easily.



Another route you could consider would be usings s Counts As Space Wolves in conjunction with Logan to allow you to take Termis as troops, avoid icons, and use some of the weapons that currently chave that chaos can't use.

It would be helpful to know if you have any other models or the capability to modify some of your current ones.

What special and heavy weapon bits do you have available to you? Would you be able to add combi-plasma, special or heavy weapons to your models?

I don't have my dex with me currently so if you want to try out some of my suggestions, you could put up another list and I could give recommendations on tweaks.

You mean Chaos Green Robed Space Puppies...

@FireFall

Thx for advice.

Well no wolf. Wolf is not related with dark angels.

So....Get smaller termies and bikes squads?

Well....here is new list for 1000pt

HQ
Sorcerer or Prince(Bike,Warp Time or Wing,Warp Time)　155

Elite
5 Termies (1 powerwepon,4 powerfist,1AutoCannon,Khorn) 245
5 Termies (1 powerwepon,3 power fist,1Lightning Claw,1AutoCannon,Khorn,1 champion) 255

Troop
10 Marine(1 missile,1 Icon of Glorly)165
10 Marine(1 missile,1 Icon of Glory)165



It seems badlist still.....
I edit it little.

Hmmm......Give me advice.


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FireFall wrote:

What special and heavy weapon bits do you have available to you? Would you be able to add combi-plasma, special or heavy weapons to your models?

I forgot to do answer this.
I have dev box,from this box I already made 2 plasma cannons. So 2 heavy bolter,2 lascannon,1multimelta,and 1 missile left.


I've had battle today.
I used sammael as DaemonPrince.
No problem currently. I win but it was so hard.

Looking better but it is a hard list to build withing the restrictions we have.

Perhaps this configuration might work for you at 1000 points:

HQ
Deamon Prince (Wings, MOS, Lash of Submission) - 155

This guy is a bit fragile but he could help with your mobility issues by dragging squads closer to your terminators.

Elite

3 Termies (IOCG, 1 Power Fist, 1 Reaper Autocannon) - 135

3 Termies (IOCG, 1 Power Fist, 1 Reaper Autocannon) - 135

5 Termies (Khorne, 1 Lightning Claw Pair, 3 Power Fists, Heavy Flamer) - 225

I would only use the Heavy Flamer if you plan to deep strike with them near an Icon or are using the Lash.
You may need to use your Chaplain/Librarian for the additional Power weapon equipped terminators.

It is usually not worth upgrading terminators to champions as the single extra attack on a WS4 model is not worth 10 points.

Troops

10 Marines (IOCG, Missile Launcher, Flamer) - 175
10 Marines (IOCG, Missile Launcher, Flamer) - 175

The Flamers were added as we had an extra 10 Points.


Overall this list looks similar to the one you wrote. The biggest change I made was the addition of the Lash which I feel will really improve the list by allowing you to threaten other armies infantry and help mitigate the lower mobility of your foot slogging list. I shuffled around the terminators (and managed to fit in an extra one) and made 2 smaller shooting support squads and 1 dedicated assault squad. The smaller squads give you more flexibility in engaging multiple light vehicles and do a combined assault if need be.

The strategy I would use with this army would be to advance toward a middle field objective with at least 1 CSM squad, your Deamon prince (who I would try to play pretty conservatively with) and all of your terminators, using the two smaller terminators to engage light vehicles . I would likely run with Khorne terminators to keep them close to the deamon prince. I would then keep the CSM squad with a support terminator squad or two near the objective while engaging the other army with the assault terminators and the DP.


On another note, you might be able to convert the multimelta into 2 combi-meltas on your terminators which would allow you to threaten heavy armor. Another route you could go is converting a few Terminators into Oblitorators which are generally considered to be some of the beast CSM heavy support. Also, do you have any plasma guns or meltaguns available? How is your dreadnought equipped? They are not a great choice in a CSM list but it would be good to know our options.

Depending on who you play with, you may be able to proxy some models to see if they work with your style of play (I would recommend trying out oblitorators, some special weapons on your CSM, an additional DP, and some different terminator configurations that include combi weapons, more power weapons, and perhaps chainfists,)

Well....I've realize tzeentch　have "GUN" type daemon weapon. It would fit with Cypher.

So....I've made this list.

HQ
Lord (Mark Of tzeentch,Daemon Weapon.Using Cypher model.) 145

Elite
5 Termies (1 powerwepon,5 powerfist,1AutoCannon)
5 Termies (1 powerwepon,4 power fist,1Lightning Claw,1AutoCannon)
1 Chaos Dreadnout(Plasma Cannon)
Subtotal:510

Troop
10 Marine(1 Icon of Glorly)
10 Marine(1 missile,1 Icon of Glory)

Subtotal:320

Total:1000


How about this?



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You've received a lot of feedback already. A point I thought helpful to make is the Dread is better equipped for CC only. That way you don't have to worry about gunning down friendlies.

I applaud you for attempting to mold the CSM dex around your models. Try to avoid falling into the same old CSM list with lash and oblit spam. It is so easy to do....

Thx reply.

Well....I dont have a plan to use a cults because of back ground issue.
And I will use them as dark angels someday,so multi weaponize is not in option.

All termie should do deep striking in your list?

It seeems dread is for CC.
Yeah Obli is really good.

As long as better than dark angels....it would be good.

Also,I'm trying to do expand it to 1500pt list.
To do so,I should expand more termies?

Anyway,It is really helpful. Thanks again!

Prince: not really Fallen Angel like…
Lash is not a great buy in the this list.

Termies: minimum squad sizes are poo when not termicides IMO…for Fallen Angels, maybe go with 5 man squads. Fist and Reaper keep the Loyalist look, but Reapers are IMO poo for the cost.

Khorne Termies: go with 2 chainfists instead of 3 power fists.

Troops: Troops are the back bone of a CSM list… as themed as you want it, these are the heavy hitters IMO.
The Tactical squad look is there, but you are shooting yourself in the foot a lot with the troops setup like this.