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2010/01/15 00:55:05
Subject: What are these
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I bought a foam box at Value Village thinking "Score, Warhammer storage!" Apparently I wasn't the only one. When I opened it up at home these guys fell out!
I know that these are crap pictures, but can anybody well me what they are? They look like old-school grots, but I'm not sure.
Well, their sure grots now.
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
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2010/01/15 00:58:15
Subject: What are these
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I don't see any pictures. Nintendoeats loses this thread.
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2010/01/15 01:04:30
Subject: Re:What are these
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yes, yes I do. Its been a long day, sorry.
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
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2010/01/15 01:08:59
Subject: What are these
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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They look like Rogue Trader orks.
I might be wrong though...
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2010/01/15 01:09:13
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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They are old orkz.
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2010/01/15 01:13:24
Subject: What are these
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Huge Hierodule
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Yeah those are some oldies. IIRC those might be from back when models were made of Lead.
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2010/01/15 01:20:55
Subject: What are these
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Darth Bob wrote:Yeah those are some oldies. IIRC those might be from back when models were made of Lead.
I really hope that was a joke...
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
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2010/01/15 01:24:24
Subject: What are these
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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No, its true. I think GW made the switch from Lead in the mid 90's. I might be wrong though.
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skarboy wrote:People got tired of winning or having more than one useful choice per force org slot, so Necrons upticked in popularity.
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2010/01/15 01:26:47
Subject: What are these
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Huge Hierodule
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nintendoeats wrote:Darth Bob wrote:Yeah those are some oldies. IIRC those might be from back when models were made of Lead.
I really hope that was a joke...
Nope, GW use to make their models from a white metal compoud which was made from Lead and Tin.
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2010/01/15 01:26:47
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Wow, GW was dumb in the 90s.
Thanks guys! Time to go paint me some blue lead-based grots!
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
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2010/01/15 01:30:20
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They were a much smaller company, and their stuff wasn't aimed so much at kids in those days. Plus I think they put warnings on the packaging...
Be careful if you're stripping those models, the lead isn't as forgiving as white metal is.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
plus the '90's remark is right- I remember an article in an old White Dwarf I inherited in the late 90's.
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2010/01/15 01:32:46
Subject: What are these
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Stripping? who do you think I am, michaelangelo!?!?!
(thanks for the advice. Were I less lazy, it would be invaluable)
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
PISSED 8374982374983749873948234
Check out my band Man In A Shed |
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2010/01/15 01:39:54
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GW used to make their models of pewter containing lead, but mostly tin. Most models used to be made out of this sort of pewter, and really, its not a big deal. You would have to inhale the material while you're working with it or actually lick the models themselves to suffer any effects of lead poisoning. Contact risk is also low, as long as you washed your hands before handling food.
However, considering how cheap and easy it is to simply not use pewter containing lead, there's little reason not to switch to lead free pewter.
The more you know.
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2010/01/15 01:44:56
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The irony of this situation is that I am having pizza for dinner. I'm going to wash my hands now.
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
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2010/01/15 02:00:49
Subject: What are these
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You should wash your hands before dinner anyway, dirty boy 
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2010/01/15 02:14:12
Subject: What are these
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Did we not already determine that I am epic lazy?
(by the way, skinnattittar I have great respect for the first line of your sig. thankyou)
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
PISSED 8374982374983749873948234
Check out my band Man In A Shed |
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2010/01/15 02:39:44
Subject: What are these
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nintendoeats wrote:Did we not already determine that I am epic lazy?
(by the way, skinnattittar I have great respect for the first line of your sig. thankyou)
 Thanks, I hope everyone reads it and takes it to heart for the rest of their lives. Or at least while they read the rest of my signature, or else I look like an even greater pompous  than I really am 
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2010/01/15 02:39:58
Subject: Re:What are these
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Death-Dealing Ultramarine Devastator
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Were those four the only models you got, or did you get more?
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2010/01/15 02:42:58
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That was it. They were just left in the case by accident.
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
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2010/01/15 02:57:07
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Id use them as Trukk Crew or something.. grot riggers for battlewagons?
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2010/01/15 03:03:09
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I suppose, I just got a Trukk (literally, bought it tonight, assembling as we speak). But it seems like they would be fun standard grots.
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
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Check out my band Man In A Shed |
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2010/01/15 04:33:09
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Those are RT Space Orcs, not Grots.
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2010/01/15 12:34:28
Subject: What are these
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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@ Vlad - if you think about the change in scale of GW Orks over the past 4 editions, they're probably closer in size to Grots compared to modern Orks.
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2010/01/15 13:24:09
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nintendoeats wrote:Wow, GW was dumb in the 90s.
I think you're quite wrong to be that dismissive. There are lots of reasons to use lead, especially in the past rather than today. It has a lower melting point so is quicker and cheaper to melt for casting for a start, and because tin can lose the high temperature quickly it starts to solidify meaning that the mould isn't filled properly and you get a miscasts. It is avoidable it you heat the metal thoroughly of course but things are done quickly on a production run and thus lead would be the preferred choice for some manufacturers and the amateur caster. For the modeller, it has two advantages, it bends easily but doesn't crack like white metal, so although it is more easily damaged, it can be more safely straightened out. Secondly, as it is soft it is much easier to work with when cutting, filing and drilling. Pure tin kills drills and files in a way that lead doesn't. The flip side is that lead is soft and excessive handling can rub away fine detail and they are more easily damaged by bumps and drops. Swings and roundabouts, but not *dumb* IMO.
Many companies have switched to white metal to sell to children. and probably to follow certain rules about selling under European regulations. Some companies still cast using lead and there's no real problem with it as long as you aren't stupid enough to put it in your mouth. Remember, GW figures were not marketed at children 20 years ago, they were not for sale to under 16s, or under 14s, I don't recall the blurb on the back of the packaging.
I would point out that because armies were often cast in lead, and the further you go back the higher the lead content, it was considered a major reason for not playing with unpainted miniatures. Handle them for long periods and your fingers go black which isn't healthy if you then eat a sandwich. Of course, with the widespread use of lead-free alloys it's become more acceptable to play with unpainted miniatures, because they don't share the same health risks. But some years ago it would be considered a faux pas to put out any unpainted lead on the tabletop.
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2010/01/15 16:26:38
Subject: Updated pics
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I ditched the old pics, here is a better one with proper lighting. They are somewhere inbetween grots and boyz, but they don't look as burly as modern boyz do.
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
PISSED 8374982374983749873948234
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2010/01/15 16:53:24
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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The original Orks were much smaller than the current standard, but they are definately "Orks". I've spotted a couple of yours on these two pages.
First of yours on the left is "Gort", see first link, top left minature. Your ork on the far right I think is number "440212" in the second link, bit hard to read though, he's third row up from the bottom, far right.
http://www.solegends.com/citrt/rt202orkcommand.htm
http://www.solegends.com/citrt/spaceorks106-01.htm
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2010/01/15 16:54:01
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Def original (leaded) Rogue Trader Orks. 3x bolter and 1x plasma gun. Used to have them all myself, the standard bearer is still one of my favourite GW figures
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2010/01/15 17:11:37
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Yup, those are defenitely right. I see all of these guys (cept the bearer) in the second link. Yeah, he is pretty awesome.
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In a Society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not", the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason", he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else.
George Orwell is my hero.
Social Experiment: if you're pissed like me, copy and paste this into your sig, and add a number after it.
PISSED 8374982374983749873948234
Check out my band Man In A Shed |
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