Blood drinker

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**Bishop99**

ok my buddy charged me with a unit of four blood knights and one vampire my swords men killed all of the knights but the vampire lived and when he swung back with his Blood Drinker sword he caused four wounds that i didnt save does he really get all four blood knights and there mounts back

**Minsc**

I only have last edition's army book, but... I'm pretty positive the Blood Drinker only restores wounds to its bearer, not models to a unit. EDIT: Again, last book, not this one. Don't take me as a definitive answer.

**Bishop99**

even if he can do it if i kill off the entire unit dosent that make the vamp an independent character and there fore no longer has a squad to target

**nosferatu1001**

According to the FAQ the unit still exists until the end of the phase, so can restore the unit

**Mattbranb**

What part of the FAQ is that in? I thought Blood Drinker functions like casting IoN, which requires at least 1 model to still be alive in the unit being targeted (i.e. at least 1 blood knight left) for it to function.

**Bishop99**

if you could please point out where and which FAQ you used that would be great so i could look it up because i was under the same impression IoN had to be cased on a unit that still existed

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also would he get the mounts back as well

**Negativemoney**

Mounts are considered part of the model (unless they have more than 1 wound) and as such they will be brought back when the model regains the wounds.

BTW How did swordsmen kill 4 Blood Knight before they had a chance to attack?

**Bishop99**

HE Swordmaster of heoth

**nosferatu1001**

Still seems like good rolling & bad rolling

**Bishop99**

Not really he charged me by I have always strike first and swordmasters have great weapons so I hit him with 24 s5 hits even with his saves he was numerically beaten

**Orkestra**

"24 s5 hits"

So... you had a frontage of 12 models with two attacks each? Or have swordmasters been way buffed to 3 attacks each (with a still huge frontage of 8)

As for the blood drinker itself... *digs out codex*

Well, what it comes down to is if the unit itself still exists. I would personally say that since the entire unit of blood knights was killed, the vampire is now by himself. If one knight had survived, the vampire could regenerate the rest of the unit. As it is, he could only heal himself.

But, let me check my BRB (it's in a box in the basement) and come back with rules that might support this.

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Having read the characters section of the rule book, it is worth pointing out that a character cannot leave a unit in the close combat phase.

But, the rulebook makes no mention of characters in units that cease to exist. It stands to reason that a destroyed unit can have no more impact on the game.

But, since this is dirty RaI speculation, it's worth noting that the vampire is already dealing with undead, so what's a little more raising from the dead, eh?

Having read the character rules, I would allow the vampire to resurrect his unit

**Bishop99**

No I have a frontage of 5 but they get two ranks so that's ten and the champion has a sword that gives him +1attack giveing him 4 total Also the blood drinker cast a spell to ressurect but I was under the understanding that atleast one man in the unit must be alive for IoN to work

**skyth**

Swordmasters do not attack in two ranks.

**Orkestra**

Here's why I think that blood drinker can resurrect the unit, even though all are dead.

1. Characters can only leave units in the movement phase. Until the next movement phase, the character is still part of a unit of Blood Knights.

2. Destroyed units still have effects on the results of combat. They still have effects on combat resolution, even though they are destroyed.

From these two, and my assumption (yes, I'll admit it's an assumption) that a unit which is still effecting the battlefield can, in turn, be effected by the battlefield, which includes things like the Blood Drinker.

Blood Drinker is different from IoN in that it takes place in the combat phase. Since it works in a different phase, it doesn't work exactly like IoN. Yes, IoN cannot be used to resurrect a unit that has been destroyed utterly. However, for the reasons above, Blood Drinker can restore wounds to destroyed units, provided they were destroyed in that same combat phase, prior to the Vampire's attacks

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And, as noted, Swordmasters only attack in one rank. Also, just a math thing, even if you were striking in two ranks you'd only get 22 attacks, as the champion is one of the ten attacking models.

**Bishop99**

Ok but dosent the blood drinker text say that it work exactly like IoN

**bd1085**

Bishop99 wrote: so I hit him with 24 s5 hits

wtf? what kinda warhammer you smokin?

**nosferatu1001**

Bishop99 wrote:No I have a frontage of 5 but they get two ranks so that's ten and the champion has a sword that gives him +1attack giveing him 4 total Also the blood drinker cast a spell to ressurect but I was under the understanding that atleast one man in the unit must be alive for IoN to work

2 Attacks each, frmo a frontage of 5. ONLY spears get to attack in two ranks, and Elven spears attack with one more than normally allowed.

So you should only have have 8+champions attacks. In addition if you have used the Sword of (Battle?) +1 Attack you CANNOT use the GW and therefore stgrike at your normal strength. Trust me, 4 S3 is not as good as 3 S5...

**BorderCountess**

The flaw in the OP's thought process (bad math aside) is thinking that Blood Drinker 'cast a spell'. Its effect works the same as Invocation, but is not itself a spell.

I may not like it, but I have to agree with the group on this one.

**Orkestra**

Bishop99 wrote:Ok but dosent the blood drinker text say that it work exactly like IoN

Just in case you missed it...

Orkestra wrote:Blood Drinker is different from IoN in that it takes place in the combat phase. Since it works in a different phase, it doesn't work exactly like IoN. Yes, IoN cannot be used to resurrect a unit that has been destroyed utterly. However, for the reasons above, Blood Drinker can restore wounds to destroyed units, provided they were destroyed in that same combat phase, prior to the Vampire's attacks

This describes how Blood Drinker is different from IoN.

**Mannahnin**

Tomb Kings have a spear which does the same thing. I've had a chariot unit regrown against me. It sucked.