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Will we see in the next few months that every tyranid army will have 3 Trygons until it becomes a jerk thing to do, such as LOS spam, Ork nob bike squads, and others...
Or has GW forced us to rely on the Trygon due to Carnifex nerfs.
I do not have the new Codex, is there other cool stuff that will keep us competitive without the Trygon???
P.S. what is the Trygons Initiative????

i doubt we will See "all Trygon" as heavy support, sure its a sweet sweet lovely thing, but its costy, you only get one, and it has no invul save "oh god like all MC's!" but still, you can actually Feild up to 9 Carnifex's with the new Codex Ruleing, 3 per heavy option though they do have to be the same, and i think we will still see Fex's not to mention Old One eye is a Heavy Option tyrannofex, and Biovores are heavys, we should see at least one, maybe two, but still and his INI is 4, or 5 if you give him his Adrenal Glands (Furious Charge rule)

Trygons seem to become popular in the ed.
They are fast and really nasty in cc.

The S6 ap2 template hit and push out thing seems a bit over the top right now.

Have to read the actual rules themselves and see it in action to be sure though...

I am mounting my 2nd edition bear hugging carnifeces on the trygon base and calling them trygons...The carnifex is the epitome of the monstrous creature the trygons statline is what the carnifex should be. BAH!!! /endrant

I don't think you'll see Trygon exclusive spam, there are considerable extra options to pick from and from looking at my copies of the codex that I got from the pre-order I think a Mawloc even just one will be a nasty addition as well. (Just my feeling though, I really like its abilities.)

I think people will spam it, and then when they find out it shows up piece meal, and has to weather a turn of firepower, sitting in rapid fire range, they'll get annoyed at how often it dies before it gets to assault anything. I think the T-Fex is the sleeper hit in this book, and people will find that normal Fexes are still good when they can drop in and bring their own cover with them.

Does the Trygon scatter when 'deep striking'?

Yes, but has the same protection as a Drop Pod. Mawlocs don't, they only ignore (or rather benefit from) landing on units.

One reason why I think we can have Tyrgron spam, is like what someone mentioned earlier. They can die fast, espeasially in Rapid Fire range. So have 3 of them, so if one dies, you have 2 more to rely on.

God i hope so, my army kills like 1.8 of those per turn on average just out of missile launchers. And there's no way they're going to be getting cover when they're that big or right in my face. I welcome the 200+ point trygon with a 3+ save over the 120+ point carnifex with a 2+.

I think mawloc's are better than trygons. I can see lots of fexes and huge swarms of stuff.. Trygon is big nasty but a fire magnet who won't last at all and if they come one at a time whoop dee doo then they're useless but 2 tyrants and two mawlocs, nine fexes, tons of warriors armed like tyrants, zoanthropes/doom, etc geeze so many nasty things out so much sooner. 9 fexes marchin across the board with gargoyle and venomthrope cover? That's muy bueno. Trygon(unless you can buy him time) is bad news bears and a waste of pts. Genestealers are still a nasty lot with a wave of toxic furious charge gaunts lol.

You're looking at a minimum of 250 pts for the 2+ save T-Fex. Hell, the standard Fex I think I would run clocks in at 230 pts, but he at least brings his own cover when he shows up.

The Mawloc, despite the fact it's a push over in HtH compared to the Trygon, I think is the better bet. That Long Fang unit that annihilates the Trygon? A Mawloc has it for breakfast. You're going to want to keep Devastators and the like along the back edge of the table, to discourage the Mawloc by making Deep Striking off of the table edge an extreme likelihood.

Nine Fexes would be way too many pts I think. If I wanted a Fex stampede I'd probably go with three broods of two, with just twin Scytals and Adrenals so they don't eat up All my points.

Well I just got home from a tourney and played against 2 different opponents with a bunch of them...


They are not as good as people keep trying to make them out to be.

First one popped out and killed one raider, and died next turn to a couple Darklances and some rapid fire splinter rifles.

The next couple got downed by Lances, Dissies and posion attacks.


Over all the best any of them could do is kill one 55 point transport and die.

In a Meta game full of tanks and High str / ap weapons hes only good for killing one transport and drawing fire away from other things.



The Real winner of the Nid list is the Tervigon (sp?) Free troops, and feel no pain on any unit you want in 12".... Plus 6T 6W.... And hes a outflanking troop given the Hq. Solid Gold

The Real winner of the Nid list is the Tervigon (sp?) Free troops, and feel no pain on any unit you want in 12".... Plus 6T 6W.... And hes a outflanking troop given the Hq. Solid Gold

This is possibly the morale of the story.

Clthomps wrote:Stuff about darklances vs. Trygons

Well yes, if you point enough lascannons at anything it will die. Most armies don't have that many. I've read reports of people buying 3 Trygons on release day, so I'm sure it will happen. Good thing I don't play against insane players like that though.

Darth Balls wrote:Will we see in the next few months that every tyranid army will have 3 Trygons until it becomes a jerk thing to do, such as LOS spam, Ork nob bike squads, and others...
Or has GW forced us to rely on the Trygon due to Carnifex nerfs.
I do not have the new Codex, is there other cool stuff that will keep us competitive without the Trygon???
P.S. what is the Trygons Initiative????

This is exactly what GW wants you to do. Buy more Trygons bitches!

If you have +1 for your reserves there is a good chance that two out of three will show up on turn 2. That's 12 T6 wounds to eliminate, which is the equivalent of three fexes. Sure you might be able to do it but then again you might not and if you are pointing all your heavy weapons at them then the other units that pod in or outflank will be up in your grill.

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WarmasterScott wrote:I think mawloc's are better than trygons. I can see lots of fexes and huge swarms of stuff.. Trygon is big nasty but a fire magnet who won't last at all and if they come one at a time whoop dee doo then they're useless but 2 tyrants and two mawlocs, nine fexes, tons of warriors armed like tyrants, zoanthropes/doom, etc geeze so many nasty things out so much sooner. 9 fexes marchin across the board with gargoyle and venomthrope cover? That's muy bueno. Trygon(unless you can buy him time) is bad news bears and a waste of pts. Genestealers are still a nasty lot with a wave of toxic furious charge gaunts lol.

Unless you're talking about 2 different setups, you can't run 2 Mawlocs and 9 Fex's, you'd only be able to run 2 Mawloc and 3 Carnifex's. They're both Heavy Slot Choices.

If they start showing up often, so will my Lootas and Deffrollas (if they are only S6). The Nob bikers could take it out in a turn and probably not lose a model (though suffer some wounds since FNP is lost). Not worried.

I'm not sure about the Trygon, but I will definitely be running at least One Mawloc in my Army. The S6 AP2 Push-Out Template is pretty sweet, and the reburrow thing will make it pretty manueverable.

That being said, I don't think that we will see too much Trygon Spam. The cost of running three Trygons means that in a Standard 1500 Point Game, you have 1/3 of your Army cost in 3 Units. If someone does spam them, he better expect them to take a ton of Fire when it pops up. It's like jumping out of a hole wearing a "Shoot Me" Sign while Tap Dancing. You do not want 1/3 Points of your army getting shot to pieces as soon as it appears.

The Mawloc at least can take out people as soon as it pops up and uses a large template. It will be great for wreaking havoc, disappearing, then wreaking more Havoc.

Just my 2 Cents.