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So after the first tourney with the new nid codex we wound up finding some really strange rules problems.


First:

A Swarmlord was in combat with some eldar. A Plasma cannon shot drifts onto their combat, does the Swarm lord get a 4+ invuln?

I believe it is yes according to RAW, and No According to RAI. Your thoughts?



Second:

A Tyrgon Prime shows up and makes a hole... next turn a Pod wants to come out of the whole instead of DSing. Can it do so?

I believe RAW says yes and RAI says no. How about you?

1st - No the save is used in cc only..not against shots
2nd - Listen to what your saying.. You are saying a drop pod can come from the ground? Really?A pod ds as it own entry it can enter no other way so it can't have an option to use the trygon's tunnel because even though it's a ds as well it is also an alternative to its normal entry.

Thats RAI, back those claims up with RAW.


1. He is in combat, therefor any wounds he receives he gets a save from.

2. Whether or not it makes sense, does not matter... Logically if a plasma gunner shooting from inside a vehicle dies from a backfire it should kill everyone inside.

Also the pods do have tentacles so they could crawl through a hole given enough time...

The pod rules say they MUST enter play by Deep Strike.

Mind quoting the whole rule? I sent my codex off with my brother for the night.


If I remember right it says something like any model entering from reserves can enter from the hole, instead of there normal entry.


So (at least in my mind) they hole rules replace outflank and what not.

Clthomps wrote:Thats RAI, back those claims up with RAW.


1. He is in combat, therefor any wounds he receives he gets a save from.

2. Whether or not it makes sense, does not matter... Logically if a plasma gunner shooting from inside a vehicle dies from a backfire it should kill everyone inside.

Also the pods do have tentacles so they could crawl through a hole given enough time...

Then back your up.. because the Swarmlords save is for cc thats why he doesn't have it as a base save. The pod must enter from ds, it isn't allowed to use another form of entry.


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1 - Blade Shield: 4+ Invul in CC! not from outside splash!

2 -Deep Strike, Fearless, Immobile Lash Whips and Snaring Tentacles
Limited Awareness: Never test Synapse, attacks closest ( 6" S6 Ap- Assault 6)
unit every turn unless in H2H. It can never be pinned May buy ONE of the following:
or go to ground. Thorn Volley - 10pts
Transport Spore: Deep Strikes from Reserve, if it would Thorn Blast - 10pts
land on Impasable, enemy unit, etc, move it so it Twin-Linked Deathspitter - 10pts
doesn't, just like a Drop Pod.

only CC attacks give him the 4+ invul.

pods enter by space, not the ground. So no, DS that pod. Nothing else

If the Trygon Deep Strikes into an Bioelectric Field (12" S5 AP5 Assault6)
enemy unit or impassable terrain, reduce the scatter Enhanced Bioelectric Field (Trygon Prime, 18" S5 AP5
by the minimum distance to avoid a mishap. Once the Assault 12)
Trygon has, place a marker the size of his base where May be upgraded to Trygon Prime for 40pts
he lands. Any infantry coming in from reserve may use May buy the following biomorphs:
the Trygon's hole instead of the table edge.

Where in you mind is a drop pod infantry?

Clthomps wrote:So after the first tourney with the new nid codex we wound up finding some really strange rules problems.


First:

A Swarmlord was in combat with some eldar. A Plasma cannon shot drifts onto their combat, does the Swarm lord get a 4+ invuln?

I believe it is yes according to RAW, and No According to RAI. Your thoughts?

The RAI is imo pretty damn clear, I don't know about the RAW since "in close combat" isn't a very clearly defined thing, but I certainly see the point, he gets hit by the scattering blast and you check "Is The Swarmlord in close combat? Yes"

Clthomps wrote:Second:

A Tyrgon Prime shows up and makes a hole... next turn a Pod wants to come out of the whole instead of DSing. Can it do so?

I believe RAW says yes and RAI says no. How about you?

The RAW is clear here, the spore says it "Always enters play using Deep Strike" and coming through a trygon hole isn't deep striking.

Also, given it is a Monstrous Creature, it's not eligible to use the tunnel anyway.

1) RaW: Yes. The Swarmlod Gets the save because, as Drunkspleen points out, you check to see if he is in close combat, if he is, he gets the save.

2) Drunkspleen pointed it out perfectly.