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lets say an ork boy has a sword and a pistol. Would he get a +1 attack for having a close combat weapon and ranged gun?

No. He can fire a pistol at short range no promblemo. Its not like a rifle or something of similar size, you wont be able to fire with those. In CC the enemy will be very close, hence the name, so theres not going to be room for a rifle between you and your enemy.

Yes. Pistols count as ccws in close combat.

Yes. You get a bonus attack for having a close combat weapon (like a sword) and a pistol. You do not get this bonus for other ranged weapons.

Hence why slugga/choppa orks are melee focused, and the shoota boys are ranged - the slugga boys get an extra cc attack.

The way I understand it is that the sword counts as one ccw giving no benifit on its own, and the pistol counts as a second ccw for the purpose of having two ccw's for +1 Attack. Also Ranged guns on their own do not confer a CC Attack, not even the ones with bayonettes.

ComputerGeek has it right. Pistol confers an extra attack when combined with CCW.

Yep, it's right there in the BGB. Page 42 under 'Normal Close Combat Weapons'.

Yes.

Assuming your talking about the +1 attack being in assault then yes, you would get the +1 attack, but that is all it applies to, not to a shooting phase. Just wanted to clarify that.

Depends if your playing WYSIWYG or not since most wargear entries state someone having a ranged weapon and a CCW for example a knife etc and as long as there on the model you can shoot a bolter one turn then in the next turn assault and get the +1 for pistol and CCW

That is not how WYSIWYG works.

WYSIWYG only concerns wargear that does not already come with the unit.

For example, my Infantry Squad has a grenade launcher. To represent this I give one model a grenade launcher to show that I have chosen it. Now under wargear for the Infantry Squad it also mentions that they all have CCW. I do not, have to glue tiny daggers to all of my Cadians. You can, but you don`t have too because my codex already says you have them by default.

Sgt.Sunshine wrote:WYSIWYG only concerns wargear that does not already come with the unit.

A Common Misconseption.

Gwar! wrote:

Sgt.Sunshine wrote:WYSIWYG only concerns wargear that does not already come with the unit.

A Common Misconseption.

A common misspelling.

But I'm confused - are you agreeing or disagreeing with Sgt. Sunshine? I thought his post was correct, that 'standard' wargear such as grenades and knives doesn't have to be modelled...?

ArbitorIan wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Sgt.Sunshine wrote:WYSIWYG only concerns wargear that does not already come with the unit.

A Common Misconseption.

A common misspelling.

But I'm confused - are you agreeing or disagreeing with Sgt. Sunshine? I thought his post was correct, that 'standard' wargear such as grenades and knives doesn't have to be modelled...?

I blame the Rum.

I'm saying that WYSIWYG does not say "Only upgrade equipment has to be modelled". That is the misconception (I speeled it rite this tiem!) I was referring to.

Seriously? So I need to model everything? @_@

No.

DC_Ravenor wrote:Depends if your playing WYSIWYG or not since most wargear entries state someone having a ranged weapon and a CCW for example a knife etc and as long as there on the model you can shoot a bolter one turn then in the next turn assault and get the +1 for pistol and CCW

I don't think that's true, actually. I don't think models with rifles get +1 for having a pistol and a knife as well - aren't they assumed to use their rifle-butts in close combat? Example 1 under 'NUMBER OF ATTACKS' (BGB, Page 37) seems to back this up, as the Space Marine unit only gets +1 for charging, in the assault phase in which they assaulted. There is no mention of extra CC weapons. Check it out, see what you think.

Space Marines don't have extra CC weapons. What they can do is fire their pistols and then assault with said pistol instead of just standing around and rapidfiring. I'm pretty sure most people have it as "if you can fire with a rifle and then assault with 2 CCW you get the extra attack"...of course as long as that rifle isn't rapid fire I guess....or something like that?

Seriously? So I need to model everything? @_@

To the best of your abilitiy yes.

Fffffuuu-

Before you get too concerned Sgt Sunshine, most people only require upgrades to be modeled. Usually it is understood that standard equipment is there if you don't have a choice to take it or not.

Come to think of it, I don't even think the Space Marine kit contains enough pistols for each guy to take one...

Wehrkind speaks sense.... my head hurts after this thread....

Gwar! wrote:

ArbitorIan wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Sgt.Sunshine wrote:WYSIWYG only concerns wargear that does not already come with the unit.

A Common Misconseption.

A common misspelling.

But I'm confused - are you agreeing or disagreeing with Sgt. Sunshine? I thought his post was correct, that 'standard' wargear such as grenades and knives doesn't have to be modelled...?

I blame the Rum.

I'm saying that WYSIWYG does not say "Only upgrade equipment has to be modelled". That is the (I speeled it rite this tiem!) I was referring to.

Wrong, believe it or not, my Gwartastic friend.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/272384.page

We already discussed the issue heavily and came to the conclusion that it only applies to optional wargear (and possibly only for special characters).

WYSIWYG, as per the rulebook, mentions that equipment must be represented. It doesn't restrict that solely to items the model doesn't come with as standard (although that is how many players read it), but the rule arguably only applies to characters.

WYSIWYG, as a gaming convention intended to make the game easier to play, applies to everything. It means exactly what it says.

How closely you adhere to either of those is, of course, entirely up to you and your opponent.

That being said, what triggered the WYSIWYG sideline in this thread was the suggestion that whether or not you follow WYSIWYG determines how the model functions... which is not really true. A model whose unit entry grants him a pistol and a CCW has them regardless of whether you actually decide to put them on the model. Conversely, just putting extra gear on the model doesn't mean that they suddenly have it.