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Just a few questions that I was mulling over. Didn't want to post them in one of the already started threads, as they tend to get lost in the witty banter that gets thrown back and forth. Anyway, wanted to see what the community thought of these two at least:

Can the Swarmlord target his own unit (himself or he and tyrant guards) with his Swarm Leader ability? It doesn't say you can, but it says -any- friendly unit within 18". His unit is a friendly unit, no?

Who exactly can the Deathleaper target with "It's After Me!"? All it says is enemy character. Does this indicate simply "Independent Character"? It doesn't say "Independent Character", but neither does it say "Model". All it says is Character. On page 47 of the BRB, it outline "Characters". This outline indicates that there are two forms of characters - Independent and Upgrade. So, I assume that Deathleaper can target both of these and -only- these, since those are the only two listed. Hence, the Deathleaper cannot target a Lord of Change with this, but he could target the Blue Scribes. Or even the Changeling.

Thoughts?

I can answer Deathleaper for you with certainty. You have it right, he can target any character, with character being defined on Pg 47. I've used him to target Sarges & their equals before, but only when the army leader is a fearless, non-psyker.

On a side note I don't really like DL, for the same points I can take 4 Raveners with Devourers.

puma713 wrote:Just a few questions that I was mulling over. Didn't want to post them in one of the already started threads, as they tend to get lost in the witty banter that gets thrown back and forth. Anyway, wanted to see what the community thought of these two at least:

Can the Swarmlord target his own unit (himself or he and tyrant guards) with his Swarm Leader ability? It doesn't say you can, but it says -any- friendly unit within 18". His unit is a friendly unit, no?

Who exactly can the Deathleaper target with "It's After Me!"? All it says is enemy character. Does this indicate simply "Independent Character"? It doesn't say "Independent Character", but neither does it say "Model". All it says is Character. On page 47 of the BRB, it outline "Characters". This outline indicates that there are two forms of characters - Independent and Upgrade. So, I assume that Deathleaper can target both of these and -only- these, since those are the only two listed. Hence, the Deathleaper cannot target a Lord of Change with this, but he could target the Blue Scribes. Or even the Changeling.

Thoughts?

The distance between the Swarmlord and the Swarmlords unit is 0", they are friendly, thus he can use it on himself IMO. This is somewhat confused by the fact that similar wording is occasionally used with the added phrase "including X itself" but I still don't see why he wouldn't qualify for his own ability.

The Deathleaper can target enemy ICs OR Upgrage Characters, these are the two things which fall under the category Character. However, what constitutes an Upgrade Character is poorly defined, you will generally get no argument about the ability to use it on a Squad Leader or Unique Character in a squad, but the description given for Upgrade Characters simply isn't all that clear.

puma713 wrote:Can the Swarmlord target his own unit (himself or he and tyrant guards) with his Swarm Leader ability? It doesn't say you can, but it says -any- friendly unit within 18". His unit is a friendly unit, no?

Yes.

Who exactly can the Deathleaper target with "It's After Me!"? All it says is enemy character. Does this indicate simply "Independent Character"? It doesn't say "Independent Character", but neither does it say "Model". All it says is Character. On page 47 of the BRB, it outline "Characters". This outline indicates that there are two forms of characters - Independent and Upgrade. So, I assume that Deathleaper can target both of these and -only- these, since those are the only two listed. Hence, the Deathleaper cannot target a Lord of Change with this, but he could target the Blue Scribes. Or even the Changeling.

Characters are defined on page 47 of the BRB

I think you could reference how the Eldar powers work too. A farseer can guide himself etc..so yeah I see no issue with DL and his power.

You'd be surprised how many people there are out there that will say Swarmlord can't target himself... They tend to be the extremely competitive type trying to deny you everything.

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Unless they are playing that model hehehe.