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I'm fairly new to Chaos, played with a couple of similar lists to this, could do with some feedback

HQ
Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour + MoK + Daemon Weapon - 155

Elites
2x 5 Possesed - 260

Troops
3x 10 Khorne Berzerkers + Skull Champion + PowerFist + 2 x Plasma pistol + Rhino - 945
5x Khorne Berzerkers + Skull Champion + PowerFist + 2 x Plasma pistol - 170

Heavy Support
3 x Defiler (1 x Lascannon) - 470

----2000

Note the Lord attaches to the 5 Berzerkers.

Alright, here are the problems with this list:

-Terminator Lord - No transportation so he'll be slow. The Khorne Daemonweapon is bad because 1/3 of the time he's going to hurt himself and just sit there, all for very little reward. He's really not going to do much.

-Possessed - are just not that great. They are expensive and are outperformed by Berzerkers in almost every way. I would take terminators or dreadnoughts over them (or just more zerkers).

-Zerkers - Are fine, except they dont have any special weapons. Your list is severely lacking anti tank weaponry. You need some meltas through either CSM, havocs or even chosen, otherwise AV14 is going to stomp you. Also, up that 5 man squad or get rid of it for regular CSM.

-Defilers - Are ok, but the lascannon is unnecessary on them (cant fire both lascannon and battlecannon).

Lord can’t get into a Rhino.
So drop the termy armor, while the Bloodfeeder I do not approve, claws would be more consistant results, but some people like the risk.

Possessed: if you do run them go with a 8 man squad in a rhino. They are functional, but as the previous poster hinted; are not cost effective comparititvely.

Zerkers look decent, but 8 man squads ‘work’ well.
Plasma Pistols are questionable.
Try IoK CSM with meltas if you need the dakka instead.
I’d say the 5 man zerkers would be a big no, esp. when out of a transport…walking MEQ with lord is Kill point bait, not too hard to down.

Defilers look fun, though paying for the TLLC is poo IMO.

Thanks for the responses. I see your point about the defiler lascannon, had forgotten the battlecannon was ordinance!

Regarding the possesed, I see your point, but I love the models! Plus they are a paint to kill, fearless + 5++ is very useful.

I've dropped one of the Defilers for a 'Raider, and added some more melta based Dakka, along with a few termies.

Thoughts?

HQ
Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour + MoK - 125
--125

Elites
3 Chaos Terminators + 2 chainfists + combi melta - 125
10 Possesed - 260
Chaos Dreadnought + 2 closecombat weapons - 100
--485

Troops
2x 10 Khorne Berzerkers + Skull Champion + PowerFist + Rhino - 570
10 CSM + Aspiring Champion + PowerFist + 2 x Meltaguns + IoK + Rhino - 260
--830

Heavy Support
2 x Defilers - 300
1 x Possesed Land Raider - 240
--540

----1980

berzerkers rule you can easily score more than attac40ks with does muthas on the charge with a full squad

Lord with just a power weapon is asking for sadness.
Try to get even a single lighting claw for him.
Termies are his bodyguard? Don't expect too much, they don't do that job that well. In addition you'll want more combi- weapons, and maybe one too many chainfists.

Possessed are prob. too many, and really need a rhino to be viable IMO.
Dread is ok.

Troops are looking decent.

Hvies look ok, though I still caution about the termy/LR combo...I'm gonna guess it will be an underwhelming experience...

The Lord is the Forgeworld Khorne model, so just going with what he has. Also I try to stick to the fluff where possible, hence the Khorne Icons/Marks where possible.

Why would the termy/LR combo be underhelming? Would the preference be teleporting termies plus an extra Defiler? Or I could really go with a predator or something...

I'd say your best bet would be to run an eight man squad in that LR and put the Lord with them. Termies are very lackluster, seeing as they don't get out too many attacks and they really are low on numbers. Lots of wounds as well so your Lord will be the target first. The only time I ever run Chaos Termies is as Termicide, with a 3-6 man squad all with combi-SOMETHING. I mean, Flamer for horde, Plasma for MEQ, Melta for tankbusting. Nothing says painful like 10 rapid-fire plasma shots at a squad of grey knights aiming to take out your Lord.

You'll love the Khorne Squad assaulting from the Raider as well as your Lord not being a Wound Pit but instead doing the hard hitting.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:I'd say your best bet would be to run an eight man squad in that LR and put the Lord with them. Termies are very lackluster, seeing as they don't get out too many attacks and they really are low on numbers. Lots of wounds as well so your Lord will be the target first. The only time I ever run Chaos Termies is as Termicide, with a 3-6 man squad all with combi-SOMETHING. I mean, Flamer for horde, Plasma for MEQ, Melta for tankbusting. Nothing says painful like 10 rapid-fire plasma shots at a squad of grey knights aiming to take out your Lord.

You'll love the Khorne Squad assaulting from the Raider as well as your Lord not being a Wound Pit but instead doing the hard hitting.

You sir, are a genius.

LR plus Berzerkers over a Predator plus whatever?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
With that in mind this is the new list... yes the 5 Berzerkers have made a comeback, but a second lord has been added, so they can all go in the LR.

HQ
Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour + MoK - 130
Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour + Combi melta - 125
--255

Elites
10 Possesed + Rhino - 295
Chaos Dreadnought + 2 closecombat weapons - 100
Chaos Dreadnought + 2 closecombat weapons - 100
--395

Troops
2x 10 Khorne Berzerkers + Skull Champion + PowerFist + Rhino - 570
5 Khorne Berzerkers + Skull Champion + PowerFist - 140
--710

Heavy Support
2 x Defilers - 300
1 x Possesed Land Raider - 240
--540

----2000