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Chaos lord: 90 points, WS6, S4 T4, A3, power armour save and mediocre invul save. Fearless, but as with any character if he joins a non-fearless squad he loses it [yeah, Abaddon in his terminator bodyguard can be chased off the board].

Warrior prime, for also 90 points if you buy him boneswords, is the same WS, better S and T, more attacks, same save minus the invulnerable, ignores armour saves, causes instant death on a failed ld test, re-rolls 1's to hit, screws with enemy psykers, and makes everyone in a 12" radius fearless.


I don't have a problem with pretty much anything in the nid codex, but this comparison makes me downright sick. Why do chaos lords cost SO MUCH for SO LITTLE? Why doesn't ANYTHING in the chaos army make their followers fearless besides being a cult troop choice, a daemon or an obliterator?

Spellbound wrote:Chaos lord: 90 points, WS6, S4 T4, A3, power armour save and mediocre invul save. Fearless, but as with any character if he joins a non-fearless squad he loses it [yeah, Abaddon in his terminator bodyguard can be chased off the board].

Warrior prime, for also 90 points if you buy him boneswords, is the same WS, better S and T, more attacks, same save minus the invulnerable, ignores armour saves, causes instant death on a failed ld test, re-rolls 1's to hit, screws with enemy psykers, and makes everyone in a 12" radius fearless.

Daemon Prince: Much better than Chaos Lord

Because Tzeentch has betrayed us.

Because Chaos was far too evil to be given the Matrix of Leadership.

Because you cant compare armies like that, the lord is balanced in his list the tyranid alpha is balanced in his

Obviously Codex Creep... *rolls eyes*.

If they look juicy enough go with count as...

Lord = Warrrior Alpha.
Zerkers = Stealers.
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Otherwise, just accept that the writer of the CSM codex didn't care too much and work with what you have.

Lord Tzneetch has betrayed us yet again...

* boo hoos *

I'm glad Papa Nurgle is still on the good side of GW, unlike the Dust Buckets' God.

I think Noise Marines might be getting a leg up vs. Tyranids...as normal CSM and Plague marines are pretty much the same vs them.

Prob. more safer shooting most of the things than being in combat with them.

At least with the Lord you have access to weapons that could kill yourself.....wait...what?

Chaos fights against the Imperium and Eldar. Tyranids fight against Ultramarines and Eldar. Since there is no reason for Chaos to be fighting against Tyranids, they were never playtested against each other.

Aren't Berzerkers fearless?

Aduro wrote:Because Chaos was far too evil to be given the Matrix of Leadership.

+1 Interwebz for you, sir.

Redbeard wrote:Chaos fights against the Imperium and Eldar. Tyranids fight against Ultramarines and Eldar. Since there is no reason for Chaos to be fighting against Tyranids, they were never playtested against each other.

You know what, I know that that's a joke, but I'm willing to bet that GW's logic isn't too far from that... -_-

Keldon_Uk wrote:Because you cant compare armies like that, the lord is balanced in his list the tyranid alpha is balanced in his

Actually... the Lord is not balanced in his own codex. Nobody takes them outside of people who feel that a Chaos Lord is more "fluffy" for their own army.

@kronk:
Zerkers are fearless, but Spellbound did specifically say non-fearless units... like Raptors, Termies, CSM, and the like.
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Agreed with Willydstyle...I only know of people taking lords for 'fun'/'flavor'.

Redbeard wrote:Since there is no reason for Chaos to be fighting against Tyranids, they were never playtested against each other.

I think Chaos does have a reason to fight the nids. If the nids scour the galaxy of life would that not deprive the chaos gods of their emotional sustenance?

The problem is you're comparing to the CSM codex. It was a different design team (person) entirely. You can't compare anything to the smoldering heap it has become.

Aduro wrote:Because Chaos was far too evil to be given the Matrix of Leadership.

I see what you did. . . too bad ultra magnus died trying to open it

I think Daniel would have been a better choice to receive it in the first place. Apparently it only opens in the "darkest hour" (meaning when handled by an incompetent nimrod) so he could have solved the whole thing straightaway. In the Japanese series there were something like 7 or 8 different matrices by the end, including Decepticon ones.

Add 5 more points and upgrade him to a slannesh lord now he is faster.

but hay, he has a bolter!

He's got the unholy Frag/Krak Grenades as well...can't forget about those