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Hello, i'm new here (and by new I mean less than an hour new, haha =\) so I apologize for any naive-seeming questions.

My first being e a question to an answer that wasn't really clear to me in the 5E codex; and thats the allocation of wargear, and its WYSIWYG factor.
An example, the Space Marine models I started with are snap-ons given to me that were included in the Black Reach starter set. Since these models are unable to be customized, the marines themselves are only able to be outfitted with one piece of wargear, and thats the standard bolter. Since these marines technically don't have a close combat weapon, how would WS and WYSIWYG set in? Would my marines technically be "unable" to fight back in locked in CQC, seeing as how they lack chainswords or anything else?

Thanks in advance to any replies!

WYSIWYG aside, Space Marines have Bolt Pistols as standard wargear, which counts as a CCW. But even bearing that aside, all models fight back in CC. Imagine your marine using the butt of his rifle to bash an ork in the head, or punching with his power-armored fist.

No worries, mate, your black reach tac squads are quite capable of defending themselves.

In the C:SM Tactical marines have both boltgun and bolt pistol - they do not have close combat weapons, as such.

It is pretty much universally accepted that your marines have the bolt pistol, even if it is not modeled on.

Another example of this is in for CSM, their standard marines all come with boltgun, bolt pistol and a CCW. However, normally models have either the boltgun, or the CCW and bolt pistol.

Most people concern WYSIWYG when considering optional wargear. Your flamer model really needs to have a flamer, but no one is going to care if you don't see a bolt pistol on him as well.

tetrisphreak wrote:WYSIWYG aside, Space Marines have Bolt Pistols as standard wargear, which counts as a CCW. But even bearing that aside, all models fight back in CC. Imagine your marine using the butt of his rifle to bash an ork in the head, or punching with his power-armored fist.

No worries, mate, your black reach tac squads are quite capable of defending themselves.

Ahh, great to have have that cleared up, cheers!


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Dracos wrote:In the C:SM Tactical marines have both boltgun and bolt pistol - they do not have close combat weapons, as such.

It is pretty much universally accepted that your marines have the bolt pistol, even if it is not modeled on.

Another example of this is in for CSM, their standard marines all come with boltgun, bolt pistol and a CCW. However, normally models have either the boltgun, or the CCW and bolt pistol.

Most people concern WYSIWYG when considering optional wargear. Your flamer model really needs to have a flamer, but no one is going to care if you don't see a bolt pistol on him as well.

Ahh okay, great to know regarding WYSIWYG, thanks .

Essentially most people only care about optional equipment - so your powerfist sarge really should have a powerfist modelled on it, and not just a standard chainsword. Not only does it look good but it really helps fix what your models are - the less things to remember the better

nosferatu1001 wrote:Essentially most people only care about optional equipment - so your powerfist sarge really should have a powerfist modelled on it, and not just a standard chainsword. Not only does it look good but it really helps fix what your models are - the less things to remember the better

Hehe, yeah...I can see it helping to tally what you've lost when you visually see it.

Another, less-involved question (sorry again, I know these are practically n00bz0r ones) when totaling the points for a model, are weapons included, or is the number tagged for the model alone? For instance, my crusade squad initiates are 16 pts/model, with a bolter costing 1 pt and a CCW costing 1 pt. Are the bolter and ccw tallied in to the cost of Initiate? Or are they individually added, totalling the model to be 18 pts? I know grenades and the such must be added, but I was wondering if standard wargear for a model such as this, is automatically factored in.

EDIT: Another question supplementing the above; for assault jump-pack squads as well, it says they are equipped with frag grenades. Since this is standard wargear for their unit type, are the grenades factored into the models' already given point value, or does that simply mean frag grenades must be bought for the model as well? Thanks!

@VxK - The model cost is the basic cost and includes the basic wargear that the model comes equipped with as standard. You don't have to pay extra for anything that comes as standard (i.e bolters). Anything optional (such as heavy or special weapons) is extra. Generally anything with a (+) next to the points value.

Oh I see, thank you!