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Do Tyranid Primes gain the boosts from a Tervigon if they are in a unit of Termagants within 6"? The rule states that the unit gets the boost and he is now part of the unit so surely he should get the boost as it is written? What's everyone's take on this?

I would say no since it specifically states termagants. Though since I don't have the codex on hand right now I'm not 100% sure.

I'm assuming you're talking about Catalyst and Onslaught. They do not specify Termagants, so it will effect any targeted unit, including attached ICs.

edit: I guess you could be talking about Brood Progenitor. The attached IC would still benefit, as he is a member of a unit of Termagants. This also means that the Tyranid Prime is vulnerable to the synaptic backlash.

I was thinking about counter attack.

Yeah obviously Onslaught and Catalyst I was thinking Boord Progenitor for CA, Adrenal Glands and/or Toxin sacs.

Is doesn't say Termagants only get the bonus only that Termagant units get the benefit he is part of a termagant unit so the benefit surely transfers?

Yup. A Unit of Termigaunts with an attached IC is still a Unit of Termigaunts and the Attached IC will benefit (and suffer) any effects that unit receives.

I had never considered this... Eeeeeexcelent. ::steeples fingers::

I disagree

BGB 48 wrote:When an independent character joins a unit, it might have different special rules from those of the unit. Unless specified in the rule itself (as in the ‘stubborn' special rule), the unit’s special rules are not conferred upon the character, and the character’s special rules are not conferred upon the unit.

I see nothing in the USRs or Progenitor rule that states ICs that have joined the termagants have it conferred upon them.

I suppose you could argue that after he has joined, any rules then conferred after the fact are not subject to the rule I quoted above. That is stretching things a bit but definitely a case for it.

It specifies the unit gains the rule, the IC therefore gains the rule as it is part of the unit.

It specifies the unit gains the rule, the IC therefore gains the rule as it is part of the unit.

Except the IC rules state that is not the case -- he might be 'considered part of the unit' in certain cases but the rules quoted give an exception for when the ICs special rules vary from that of the unit it is joining. If the termagants have these rules when he joins, he would not benefit from them. If after he has joined they gain them, then it could be argued he would also get them (since the timing of when the rule on page 48 is when he joins, not after).

the rules are nto given at anyone time though - it is a constant effect for being within 6"

Essentially the unit has it at instant A. At instant A+1 the IC joins - and at the same time A+1 the unit is regranted the special rules.

There will never be a time when the IC wont have the rule. Assuming in range of course....

Sounds like another

RAW: Yes
RAI: No
Rules if you don't want your opponent to think you're a dick: Probably not

Seems there's a lot of these in this codex.

Soup and a roll wrote:Sounds like another

RAW: Yes
RAI: No
Rules if you don't want your opponent to think you're a dick: Probably not

Seems there's a lot of these in this codex.

It does not sound like that at all.

winterman wrote:

It specifies the unit gains the rule, the IC therefore gains the rule as it is part of the unit.

Except the IC rules state that is not the case -- he might be 'considered part of the unit' in certain cases but the rules quoted give an exception for when the ICs special rules vary from that of the unit it is joining. If the termagants have these rules when he joins, he would not benefit from them. If after he has joined they gain them, then it could be argued he would also get them (since the timing of when the rule on page 48 is when he joins, not after).

That is not how it works. The tervigon grants the rules to all models in a unit that has a model within a certain range. Nothing specifies that only Termagant models get the buff, and nothing specifies that ICs do not get he buff.

Although why someone would put a prime in with a brood of gaunts is beyond me. Warriors are a far better option.

If you have em.

True, but then if I'm not fielding warriors I probably won't field a prime. That's just me though.

True, but then if I'm not fielding warriors I probably won't field a prime. That's just me though.

What if you just want a cheap HQ to fulfill your requirement whilst keeping all your tervigons as troop choices?

Not convinced he's that great for a warrior unit anyway. For a CC unit is WS6 really any better than WS5? I mean how many WS5 units are you going to encounter except other Tyranids? So you're still hitting on 3s either way. Bs buff is good but then you're sepnding a lot of points on CC monster to have him shooting. Sticking him in a buffed unit or Termagants might be a great option.

Sounds like another

RAW: Yes
RAI: No
Rules if you don't want your opponent to think you're a dick: Probably not

Seems there's a lot of these in this codex.

I disagree I think it sounds pretty clear cut and I am in no way convinced it deviates from RAI. I think they just figured most people would stick Primes in with warriors, there is certainly no indication that a IC would not get this buff should say the parasite join a Termagant unit.

Does an Autarch in a unit of Aspect warriors get he benefit should Guide be cast on them? Of course he does I don't see why this is any different?