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So if you have conscripts in Al'Rahem's platoon and you buy 'send in the next wave' for them.
Which commanders rules take precedence to how you bring them in?

Do they arrive on your board edge, do they outflank or do you get to choose?

Is Al'Rahem's outflanking rule dependent on them being deployed with him? Because it's a plain vanilla conscript squad that gets recycled, as I recall - any attached commander upgrades wouldn't come back with 'em.

Nope, anyone in Al'rahem's platoon MUST outflank.

And the text for Chenkov says "come in on their edge of the board," eh?

I'd say that because you're using Chenkov's ability, you'd have to use his deployment rule, but it could easily be argued either way... Sounds like a D6 decider!

I would actually say that they arrive from your board edge.

Al'rahem's rule states: Any unit that is part of Al'rahem Infantry Platoon must outflank.

Chenkov States: The new unit moves onto the board from the players board edge.

Now, which is the more specific rule? A rule that affects a whole infantry platoon, or one that affects One type of squad within an infantry platoon?

Just because a rule effects a smaller amount of models doesn't necessarily make it the one too follow though.

Chenkov just tells you where they arrive. However Al'Rahem states they MUST outflank.

I guess the way each is worded, it just seems like Al'Rahem's rule would take precedence. Just my feeling on the matter.

They did outflank, when they came onto the board. Their ability to come back is handled solely by Chekhov's rules.

Yes, but they come back on the board as if by reserve.

The conscript squad that turns up is unable to Outflank, as it is a *new* unit and is therefore unable to be put into reserve - the time for declaring reserves is past.

As such it must move on from your board edge. It is also, handily, the more specific rule in this case - ALrahem affects all members of the platoon, chenkov affects a subset. This is the very definition of more specific CptZach.

No Outflanking conscripts once theyre dead.

If they could outflank, chenkov's rule would say as if coming on from reserve

ginger_nid_dude wrote:If they could outflank, chenkov's rule would say as if coming on from reserve

I am pretty sure that it does...

Also, is there something that says the more specific rule applies?
It could be argued that Chenkov's rule just applies to all conscripts so it is just as general as Al'Rahems. TBH I don't really get the argument that one is more specific so it applies.

The entire basis for the rulebook is specific > general

nosferatu1001 wrote:The entire basis for the rulebook is specific > general

But as I said, Chenkov's rule applies to all conscripts.
Al'Rahem's rule applies to all models in his platoon.

There is not much of a basis for which is more specific...

But you missed my first point - which is that the unit is coming on "as if from reserves" but is not actually IN reserves, and therefore cannot Outflank - and additionally you did not declare that they were going to Outflank at the appropriate time (you could not, the new unit is exactly that - new. It did not exist before!) which further prohibits you.

As such you cannot comply with Alrahem without breaking rules, but you can comply with Chenkovs rule.

How does a unit (that must outflank) come in as if from reserves?

You are correct, you do need to declare you are outflanking if you are actually in reserves, but the unit is not.

So you don't really break any rules since the unit is not actually in reserves and doesn't need to be declared as outflanking.

And some special rules let you break BRB rules anyways, so I don't think that is a valid argument anyways.

Outflanking is only possible when coming on from Reserves


The special rules only work if they *specifically* allow you to break BRB rules - otherwise you still need to follow them.