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Okay, my question concerns markerlights and cover saves. Now I know you can stack markerlights together to reduce a cover save to 0 making it non-existence (as described in the Tau Empire FAQ). But my question is, does the cover save come back after the counters have been used and the shooting as been resolved?

Example: A Space Marine Rhino advances 12" and pops smoke. In my turn, my six pathfinders fire their markerlights and score four hits. Now I declare my firewarriors will fire at the Rhino (EDIT: I don't know why its just a hypothetical!). I use the markerlights to reduce the cover save from 4+ to nothing. Then I ue the last markerlight to make the squad BS4. I shoot and because their firewarriors nothing happens XD. Go me.

ANyway. The question is, if I then shoot at the same rhino with another unit, does it get a 4+ save, or have I permanently removed the save for the purposes of that shooting phase?

LordofHats wrote:Okay, my question concerns markerlights and cover saves. Now I know you can stack markerlights together to reduce a cover save to 0 making it non-existence (as described in the Tau Empire FAQ). But my question is, does the cover save come back after the counters have been used and the shooting as been resolved?

Example: A Space Marine Rhino advances 12" and pops smoke. In my turn, my six pathfinders fire their markerlights and score four hits. Now I declare my firewarriors will fire at the Rhino (EDIT: I don't know why its just a hypothetical!). I use the markerlights to reduce the cover save from 4+ to nothing. Then I ue the last markerlight to make the squad BS4. I shoot and because their firewarriors nothing happens XD. Go me.

ANyway. The question is, if I then shoot at the same rhino with another unit, does it get a 4+ save, or have I permanently removed the save for the purposes of that shooting phase?

It gets the save back. Markerlight tokens are used by individual squads. You don't have every unit getting +1BS for using up 1 marker do you?

The rule itself even says "-1 penalty on any cover saves the marked unit may have from the effects of the firing units shooting." So only the unit that uses the Markerlight gets the benefit, no-one else.

Gwar! wrote:It gets the save back. Markerlight tokens are used by individual squads. You don't have every unit getting +1BS for using up 1 marker do you?

I can dream can't I

But yeah I see that now right in the paragraph before the list.

i post it to my friend but they all state that it does not say anything about only "a unit" benefit from the -csv. so the -csv effect all the tau unit.
well, should GW improve their writing skill? or just our english sucks.

dpredator666 wrote:i post it to my friend but they all state that it does not say anything about only "a unit" benefit from the -csv. so the -csv effect all the tau unit.
well, should GW improve their writing skill? or just our english sucks.

Assuming you are using the english Codex there is nothing wrong with how it is written, it could perhaps be clearer, but there's no question that only a single unit benefits. Of course, if you are using a translated codex, well I have heard some pretty bad things about them and the wording may be terrible.

Ok, they send me again.

yes we are using English codex. and they really insist that because in the paragraph about adding BS. it says "a unit" gets +1BS of markerlight, but in the -CSV, it does not show anything about "a unit". and i have no idea how to convice them, that the -CSV mean for "all unit" not for "a unit". they really thing i am lying to them.

please help.

Explain this, Markerlight hits are only ever "spent" when a Tau unit fires at the unit with markerlight hits on it.

This is covered in the markerlight rules: "Counters may be expended by subsequently firing Tau firing at the 'marked' unit. Every counter expended grants the firing unit one of the following effects"

not only does it specify that only the firing unit (the one which has chosen to 'spend' the markerlight counters is the only one getting the benefits of the effects, but the rules for the coversaves say much the same thing.

"To impose a -1 penalty on any Cover Saves the marked unit may have from the effects of the firing unit's shooting"

The firing unit is of course still the one that has nominated to use the markerlights.

Hopefully this helps you clear up matters with your friends.