Doom's Drain vs. Calgar's Ld.

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**Victimized Tyrant**

Ok so last night I was playing against my friends Spehs Mariens and I drained His Bike Squad. It Does 3d6 vs. Ld, remove wounds by how many you fail by. He said he passes because Calgar Can tell his troops to pass or fail moral, and stated my attack is a moral based roll. I said that in the profile it doesn't say moral it says Leadership test. I interprate that as two different things. Who Is right???
(we decided that I was, But we Also said we would need to ask.)

**enmitee**

You.

**InquisitorFabius**

Can people please just call them SM or even marines and not some crap internet term.

And No, it doesn't work against doom, since God Of War specifies Morale tests. Doom causes a Leadership Test.

**Lost Ripper**

Yes he is soo wrong,
Morale is a Type of leadership test,
Not all leadership tests,

Therefore anything that affects leadership tests affects morale,
But anything that affects morale does not affect all leadership tests,

**jbunny**

Agree with what everyone else has said.

**Kurgash**

the man is using Calgar, he already lost the game

**Gwar!**

Kurgash wrote:the man is using Calgar, he already lost the game

QFT

**Owain**

Not only that, but it just doesn't make logical sense. You can't order your subordinates not to be affected by sorcery, no matter how manly you are.

**coredump**

Even if Calgar passed all Leadership tests... it doesn't matter.

Doom does not call for a Ld test, it calls for rolling 3d6 and comparing it to Ld.

**Gwar!**

coredump wrote:
Even if Calgar passed all Leadership tests... it doesn't matter.

Doom does not call for a Ld test, it calls for rolling 3d6 and comparing it to Ld.

Whut?

"every non-vehicle enemy unit within 6" of the Doom of Malan'tai must take a Leadership test on 3D6."

That is what the codex says.

**Bookwrack**

Owain wrote:Not only that, but it just doesn't make logical sense. You can't order your subordinates not to be affected by sorcery, no matter how manly you are.

You! Yes, you! You will stop letting that xenos monstrosity suck your life out through your faceholes NOW!

**Drunkspleen**

Interesting that Calgar's army can still be pinned, I'd always kind of written it off as "oh it's basically fearless but you can choose to fail".

**Krellnus**

Last I checked the entirety of all marine armies (going under different names in different codices) can always choose whether or not they pass all forms of Ld test, and never test normally, always choosing.

**Gwar!**

Krellnus wrote:Last I checked the entirety of all marine armies (going under different names in different codices) can always choose whether or not they pass all forms of Ld test, and never test normally, always choosing.

And when was the last time you checked, if I may so frankly ask? When you were in Dimension X mixing it up with Krang and The Shredder?

(Why yes, I did see Turtles Forever, however did you guess?

)

I am not certain, but I do not think that Space Marines of ANY KIND have EVER been able to Choose to Pass or Fail LEADERSHIP tests.

**Shotgun**

Owain wrote:Not only that, but it just doesn't make logical sense. You can't order your subordinates not to be affected by sorcery, no matter how manly you are.

Marbo could do it. 'Cept he wouldn't order anyone to.

**Kurgash**

also remember it doesn't work on troops inside vehicles

**Mannahnin**

All Collies are dogs.
Not all dogs are Collies.

All Morale tests are Leadership tests.
Not all Leadership tests are Morale tests.

Krellnus, to be clear, you are utterly incorrect about Marine leadership rules. The various SM armies and some of their characters have multiple different special leadership rules, and none of them do what you just posted, or ever have, at least in this edition of the game or the last two.