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Can you use 'a word in your ear' to pull a unit out of a transport at the start of the game?

Voluntary disembarking can only happen in the movement phase, so no.

Strictly speaking no. Disembarking (or embarking) is not part of moving up to 6'', it's something else.

While it does seem logical that the false orders etc could result in a unit leaving it's transport (or boarding a vehicle) the Word doesn't actually say anything about it. You'd need to agree on that part with your opponent - perhaps he too has some special rule that he wants to talk about?

Spetulhu wrote:Strictly speaking no. Disembarking (or embarking) is not part of moving up to 6'', it's something else.

While it does seem logical that the false orders etc could result in a unit leaving it's transport (or boarding a vehicle) the Word doesn't actually say anything about it. You'd need to agree on that part with your opponent - perhaps he too has some special rule that he wants to talk about?

assuming I'm not using this tactic in any official tournys and only want to use it while being a total against friends...is there anything in the rules that would lead to not being able to do it? I've checked the FAQs and it doesn't seem to mention anything around doing this...are there any other units that have a similar ability that I might be able to cross reference?

there is nothing in that rule that actually say you CAN affect an embarked unit. also as stated above, disembarking is not a regular move as it can be done in addition to it. doing it is a separate action with specific details as to when and if it can be done. your power or the general rules would have to mention that you CAN do it in order to actually do it. there is no instance of a unit rule allowing someone to affect an embarked unit that i can think of. using the reasoning of "it doesn't say i can't" would allow you to place the unit 6" UNDER the table as long as you stay within the 12" or table quarter of the appropriate deployment zone.

warboss wrote:there is nothing in that rule that actually say you CAN affect an embarked unit. also as stated above, disembarking is not a regular move as it can be done in addition to it. doing it is a separate action with specific details as to when and if it can be done. your power or the general rules would have to mention that you CAN do it in order to actually do it. there is no instance of a unit rule allowing someone to affect an embarked unit that i can think of. using the reasoning of "it doesn't say i can't" would allow you to place the unit 6" UNDER the table as long as you stay within the 12" or table quarter of the appropriate deployment zone.

I like this under the table idea...I think the ability should just function like the old fantasy high magic that allowed you to drop terrian on a unit... this thread can be closed

The unit is not on the table so you can not effect them with skills or powers.

broxus wrote:The unit is not on the table so you can not effect them with skills or powers.

That is not actually why it can't be affected.

It cannot be affected because in order to Disembark from a vehicle, the unit has to have begun it's movement phase aboard a Transport. A Word in you Ear takes place before the first movement phase ever starts, so the unit did not start their movement phase aboard a transport, so cannot disembark.

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A unit that begins its Movement phase aboard a vehicle can disembark either before or after the vehicle has moved.

Gwar, not debating that is correct also you but you cant also tell a unit to move that isnt on the table regardless.

broxus wrote:Gwar, not debating that is correct also you but you cant also tell a unit to move that isnt on the table regardless.

By that logic models may never disembark.

But there are rules that tell you how to disembark. Just like how to come in from reserves and deepstrike. All are ways for units to enter the gaming table.

broxus wrote:But there are rules that tell you how to disembark. Just like how to come in from reserves and deepstrike. All are ways for units to enter the gaming table.

Yes, and those rules say . . . That voluntary disembarking is only done in the movement phase. Which is what GWAR was just saying

I know that and am not arguing it, but ALSO you cant move a unit that isnt even on the board yet. Both are valid reasons why you cant move them.

broxus wrote:I know that and am not arguing it, but ALSO you cant move a unit that isnt even on the board yet. Both are valid reasons why you cant move them.

Though the unit isn't physically 'on the board'... they are embarked in a vehicle that is physically 'on the board' so by extension the units embarked are also 'on the board'.


I'm sure there is nothing 'in writing' on this, but if this wasn't so, then Gwar is correct in his interpretation of what you are stating.... a unit would NEVER be able to disembark because it was NEVER on the board to begin with....

The vehicle would have an embarked unit essentially in limbo.


But to the original question....

I believe the concensus is:

A Callidus Assassin cannot use his "A Word In Your Ear" ability on an embarked unit to force that embarked unit to disembark because the action of disembarking can only be done in a Movement phase (A unit that begins its Movement phase aboard a vehicle can disembark either before or after the vehicle has moved.). This is because "A Word In Your Ear" action happens after deployment, after Infiltrate deployment and 'at the same time' (dice off to determine who does what first [as per IFAQ]) as Scout moves BUT before any phases for a regular turn occur.

Yep, I guess people in reserves and that are in drop pods are in limbo and cant come on the board also?

Whatever makes you happy the answer is still no either way.

broxus wrote:Yep, I guess people in reserves and that are in drop pods are in limbo and cant come on the board also?

Whatever makes you happy the answer is still no either way.

Actually, that is what you were saying.

you cant also tell a unit to move that isnt on the table regardless.

Those were your exact words.

Let me clarify to make it easier to understand.

Your opponent cant tell you to move a unit 6" that isnt on the table.

True, Your opponent cant tell you to move a unit 6" that isn't on the table, but a unit in a transport is on the table by proxy of the hull of said vehicle.