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This is a question of when and how bonus stacking works. My opponent has a big mob which my friendly regular ork opponent tells me stack leadership bonuses.
(1) Do they cap at 10? (I assume so, but I'm / dumb)
(2) If I use my PBS to lower their leadership, does it lower the maxed leadership, or do you trigger the negative and then apply the positive against it?

I ask because the possibility of using a neural shredder on mobs of boyz seems tempting...

1) Leadership is capped at 10, as most abilities scores.
2) Weaken resolve lowers the maxed leadership.

Keep in mind that the Orks' Mob Rule doesn't give a positive modifier to leadership, it simply states that the orkz may switch their normal ld with the number of models in the mob (up to ten)

Remember also that Ork units with 11+ models are fearless, regardless of what their leadership ends up at, so all morale and pinning tests you force them to make will be passed, even if you've sapped their ld.

Excellent, much obliged!

Kveldulv wrote:1) Leadership is capped at 10, as most abilities scores.
2) Weaken resolve lowers the maxed leadership.

Keep in mind that the Orks' Mob Rule doesn't give a positive modifier to leadership, it simply states that the orkz may switch their normal ld with the number of models in the mob (up to ten)

Which happens first? Say you've got a mob of 10 Orks that get hit by weaken resolve. Does it drop their Ld to 2 and then they can still use the number of models in the mob as their leadership, effectively ignoring any negative modifiers, or does weaken resolve apply still?

Roll a 4+ to see which comes first.

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Culler wrote:

Kveldulv wrote:1) Leadership is capped at 10, as most abilities scores.
2) Weaken resolve lowers the maxed leadership.

Keep in mind that the Orks' Mob Rule doesn't give a positive modifier to leadership, it simply states that the orkz may switch their normal ld with the number of models in the mob (up to ten)

Which happens first? Say you've got a mob of 10 Orks that get hit by weaken resolve. Does it drop their Ld to 2 and then they can still use the number of models in the mob as their leadership, effectively ignoring any negative modifiers, or does weaken resolve apply still?

This has come up only twice in my games (local IG are light on psykers, don't know why), and we've ruled it like so:

Mob Rule says that the orks may switch their "normal leadership" with the models in the mob. Their normal ld is what it says on their stats: Usually ld 7. If a PBS reduces that to ld 2, that is not their normal ld and they can't exchange that with the number of models in the mob. It isn't the right currency.

This interpretation seems the most RAW to me, and I like to play by the rules! If you've got a better RAW, please post!

EDIT: Basically we rule it so that Mob Rule goes before Weaken Resolve, since there's no way it can happen after it.

Culler wrote:Which happens first? Say you've got a mob of 10 Orks that get hit by weaken resolve. Does it drop their Ld to 2 and then they can still use the number of models in the mob as their leadership, effectively ignoring any negative modifiers, or does weaken resolve apply still?

As with any other case where a unit can use a substituted Ld (uscept where it specifically says that you can use that Ld unmodified), you substitute the Ld and then apply any modifiers... because the modifier is applied to the unit's Ld, which is, at that instant in time, the substituted Ld.