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I gave a look around and found nothing to answer my question on the forum. My question is, when using the griffon can I measure the scatter of a template before I use the reroll for accurate bombardment?

I'd say yes

I'd say no.

You measure as you move the Blast Marker. If you're re-rolling the scatter, that happens before moving the marker, so no measuring happens yet.


The rules don't specify either way, but that's my take. YMMV.

Nope. You cannot, for the simple reason that the rules do not say you can.

Though I agree with Gwar! on most things, I'm tempted to say that it doesn't specify -when- the reroll takes place.

ie, you roll, scatter, see where it scatters and find it unfavourable, use your reroll.

That's how it's played around here, and I don't see an interpretation for otherwise.

Its not just the Griffon. It's the Little Griffon that Could, so damn it yes it can

Although from a practical standpoint because the template is placed before you measure or determine to re-roll, its really easy to eyeball it

Yea, I don't think anyone is going to stop you from checking the marker for where it lands. Especially since it would be wicked easy to eyeball it, and that no one ever gets those markers spot on anyway.

If it were me, I would let you check it.

I must play this differently, and I don't know where I got this from, but it works for all the locals around here.

When rolling for scatter, we always roll the scatter dice by itself first. If it scatters, then we roll 2D6 (or appropriate). We take "re-roll the scatter" to mean specifically the scatter dice, not the 2D6 as well. So our formula is this:

1) Roll Scatter
2) Re-roll scatter if you wish
3) Roll 2D6 if necessary
4) Death ensues

Works for us.

Omega_Warlord wrote:We take "re-roll the scatter" to mean specifically the scatter dice, not the 2D6 as well.

Well, you take it wrong.

Page 30 of the BRB:

Blast weapons and re-rolls
If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls to hit and chooses to do so after firing a blast weapon, the player must re-roll both the scatter dice and the 2D6.

Page 32 of the BRB:

All barrage weapons use blast markers and consequently use the rules for blast weapons, with the following exceptions:

Thus, you must re-roll both the 2D6 and the Scatter dice.

And in any case, "Dice" is the plural form of "Die". While GW may not be consistent in this regard, Dice still means more than one Die, so re-rolling scatter "Dice" indicates you are re-rolling more than 1 Die.

BRB pg 32 Blast weapons and re-rolls
...."to re-roll its rolls to hit...."

IG Codex pg 52 Accurate bombardment
...."can re-roll the scatter dice"....´

It's not a "re-roll to hit" but a special rule, and codex thrumps rulebook right?

Bla_Ze wrote:BRB pg 32 Blast weapons and re-rolls
...."to re-roll its rolls to hit...."

IG Codex pg 52 Accurate bombardment
...."can re-roll the scatter dice"....´

It's not a "re-roll" but a special rule, and codex thrumps rulebook right?

And as I said, Dice is plural

My Example of Re-rolling to hit is (and I use the term while Flogging myself with barbed Wire in Penance), Rapibta (Rules as possibly intended by the author), but the fact that Dice is plural is RaW ;D

And no, "Codex Trumps Rulebook" as a blanket statement is not correct and never has been.

Yes i do understand, even if dice is plural thats what the game designers choose to call it.
Check BRB pg 2.