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This came up during a tournament. I was playing a horde guard army and had 2 55 man platoons for my troop choices. The mission was dawn of war. The deployment requirements are that you choose two units from your troop choices. In the guard codex it states that an infantry platoon counts as a single choice for deployment. I always assumed the whole platoon could be deployed together as they could in 3rd and 4th edition. I never thought otherwise. The tournament organizer said I could only deploy two squads, and that the sentence from the codex did not mean anything. My objection is why state that the platoon counts as a single choice for deployment when that apparently does nothing. this reminds me alot of the Doom of Malantai 3++. Is that rule really in there to waste ink or is it just bad editing?

They count as a single Troops choice on the Force Org Chart. But that's not relevant to Dawn of War, which restricts you to two Troops units, not two Troops choices.

Using the standard Rulebook Missions, the rule does indeed serve no purpose. It's possible that it was written with the forthcoming Battles book in mind. It's also possible that the writer forgot which edition he was in.

They count as a single Troops choice on the Force Org Chart. But that's not relevant to Dawn of War, which restricts you to two Troops units, not two Troops choices.

Using the standard Rulebook Missions, the rule does indeed serve no purpose. It's possible that it was written with the forthcoming Battles book in mind. It's also possible that the writer forgot which edition he was in.

It will be interesting to see how the battle missions deployments will be worded. But maybe they wrote it for 6th edition...
It just annoys me that the editing quality of the codices is so atrocious. It might actually supposed to have been unit. But given that the IG FAQ is already out I am not expecting an errata

I doubt it means UNit, as being able to deploy such an insane number of troops that no other race can would be over powering.

If you notice you are limited to *units* for dedicated transports as well - otherwise units with dedicated transports would be able to place them all down.

If you really want to place the whole bunch of them, you can always decide to merge the line squads into one unit. There you go with 100 models on the board.

Could it be that the single choice for deployment makes a difference when you decide to outflank the platoon through Al'Rahem or Creed. Don't have the wording around right now.

Could it be that the single choice for deployment makes a difference when you decide to outflank the platoon through Al'Rahem or Creed. Don't have the wording around right now.

Presumably it makes the same difference for any reserves choice as presumably the rules means you roll for the platoon as a single entity for when they deploy from reserve (be that outflank or just walking on).

Unit means exactly that, unit. 2 Infantry Squads from a Platoon are 2 units.

Gwar! wrote:Unit means exactly that, unit. 2 Infantry Squads from a Platoon are 2 units.

unless they are blobbed together, at which point per the codex "are treated as a single unit from that point". at which point? "the decision to combine squads must be made at deployment". so, for the OP, you would NOT be able to deploy both your 55 man platoons even blobbed because they would us up 4 troops "units" (one for each blob and one for each platoon command). you could deploy two 50 man blobbed squads by themselves.

Unit means exactly that, unit. 2 Infantry Squads from a Platoon are 2 units.

I understand that, from a RAW standpoint that is rock solid. I have the assumption that rules are written for a reason. So when there is a rule that seemingly does nothing, well actually just confuses people, I begin to think that it is an error or that we are reading it wrong

Presumably it makes the same difference for any reserves choice as presumably the rules means you roll for the platoon as a single entity for when they deploy from reserve (be that outflank or just walking on).

There is a seperate stipulation that says the platoon rolls one die for reserves rolls

Erm, but it isnt a rule that does nothing?

It simply means that you know how many of your 6 choices are taken up, in the same way as selecting a Dedicated transport does not use up any further choices.

It simply means that you know how many of your 6 choices are taken up, in the same way as selecting a Dedicated transport does not use up any further choices.

Page 96 of the IG codex "Each Infantry Platoon counts as single troop choice on the force organization chart when deploying, and is rolled for collectively when rolling for reserves"
This rule is for deployment

Dawn of War doesn't ask for 2 Troops Choices, so your point is irrelevant.

And you are also assuming that all missions ever will talk about units, not choices.

This is called being precise that, not only is it 1 choice when building your roster, it is also 1 choice when deploying.

I'm sure I'm just adding fuel to the fire.... but couldn't he deploy 50 Infantry Guardsmen (5 units) as a Combined Squad unit?

Sure he couldn't have any individual Heavy Weapons, Conscripts, Veterans, etc. in that squad.... but I think he would be able to deploy them in that way...


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So basically, in a DoW scenario.... he would field one HQ choice and 2 units of 50 models each of a combined Infantry squad....

Am I thinking correctly here?

Tsannik wrote:I'm sure I'm just adding fuel to the fire.... but couldn't he deploy 50 Infantry Guardsmen (5 units) as a Combined Squad unit?

Sure he couldn't have any individual Heavy Weapons, Conscripts, Veterans, etc. in that squad.... but I think he would be able to deploy them in that way...


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So basically, in a DoW scenario.... he would field one HQ choice and 2 units of 50 models each of a combined Infantry squad....

Am I thinking correctly here?

yup. see my post a few up above with the relevant rules quotes.

warboss wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Unit means exactly that, unit. 2 Infantry Squads from a Platoon are 2 units.

unless they are blobbed together, at which point per the codex "are treated as a single unit from that point". at which point? "the decision to combine squads must be made at deployment". so, for the OP, you would NOT be able to deploy both your 55 man platoons even blobbed because they would us up 4 troops "units" (one for each blob and one for each platoon command). you could deploy two 50 man blobbed squads by themselves.

I think there's quite a good argument for saying that 'at deployment' can mean 'at any point during your deployment'. Deployment starts, you choose to blob up your squads, THEN you choose which two to deploy.

In much the same way as an army with lots of things happening 'at the start of the turn' (fleeing, crazy dreads, etc...). Obviously all of them can't, so you choose the order in which they do it. And this all happens in the hypothetical 'start of the turn' phase.

Dawn of War doesn't ask for 2 Troops Choices, so your point is irrelevant.

My point isn't irrelevant, the rule is, which is in turn my point.

I think there's quite a good argument for saying that 'at deployment' can mean 'at any point during your deployment'. Deployment starts, you choose to blob up your squads, THEN you choose which two to deploy.

In much the same way as an army with lots of things happening 'at the start of the turn' (fleeing, crazy dreads, etc...). Obviously all of them can't, so you choose the order in which they do it. And this all happens in the hypothetical 'start of the turn' phase.

Well yes that is another can of worms. Usarker Creed giving a unit scout during deployment. Can a blobbed squad get scout? What about if an independent character joins the squad? It will at point during deployment count as a single unit, but is that before or after you give the unit scout?

Irrelevant as the IC doesnt join until the start of the game.


And again, you have made an assumption that the rule isnt being specific (and yes, redundant in the main rulebook set of missions) to avoid confusion later on. For example, the upcoming battle missions...

Irrelevant as the IC doesnt join until the start of the game.

I don't have the rulebook in front of me but if I recall correctly the second bullet point on page 48 or somewhere around there allows you to deploy an IC with a squad, but that still doesn't answer the question of a blobbed squad getting scout

And again, you have made an assumption that the rule isnt being specific (and yes, redundant in the main rulebook set of missions) to avoid confusion later on. For example, the upcoming battle missions...

Well given that the codex will be almost a year old when battle missions is released, that is quite a while to anticipate solidity in a ruleset under development.

That's assuming that the battles book has been under development in the last year, and isn't something that was written earlier and just waiting for a good release slot.