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So I was playing a KP game against an ork player, and when the game ended, he declared he won 6-1 or something. As an IG player, I had an infantry platoon, and he killed all of it, counting each squad inside as 1 KP. Later on, I was informed that the platoon as a whole counted as one Kill point. Satisfied, I had much more faith in using platoons in KP games.

However, today I was flipping through the BRB, and looked up the rules for Annihilation, and it said "the player gains 1 kill point for every unit that has been completely destroyed" (BRB, page 91, bottom).

So my question is: Does the infantry platoon count as 1 kill point as a whole or 1 per squad inside?

Gavo wrote:So I was playing a KP game against an ork player, and when the game ended, he declared he won 6-1 or something. As an IG player, I had an infantry platoon, and he killed all of it, counting each squad inside as 1 KP. Later on, I was informed that the platoon as a whole counted as one Kill point. Satisfied, I had much more faith in using platoons in KP games.

However, today I was flipping through the BRB, and looked up the rules for Annihilation, and it said "the player gains 1 kill point for every unit that has been completely destroyed" (BRB, page 91, bottom).

So my question is: Does the infantry platoon count as 1 kill point as a whole or 1 per squad inside?

1KP per squad. A Platoon is made of multiple units, and each unit is worth a KP. A Maxed out Platoon has 19 KP to give.

Yeah, works the same as Combat Tactics, if you split it up then each unit is a KP. So if you get annihilation then think about just keeping it as one MASSIVE squad. Sure going to take some effort to kill =p

Oshova

Oh Christ. Well, that's why they invented blobbing. Thanks all.

Seriously having an entire platoon as one squad is truly awesome. Especially if it's a full platoon. =p

Oshova

Oshova wrote:Seriously having an entire platoon as one squad is truly awesome. Especially if it's a full platoon. =p

Oshova

Yeah, well, you can only combine the guardsman squads, nothing else. I run 3 guard squads (20 and 10 or 30), and 2 hws. Not very fun, in addition to platoon command, that's a nice 4-6 KP.

Ugh.

Still, the ability to combine cuts down your KPs . . . But yeah not as much as I first thought. =/

Oshova

Minimum 2; 1 = Platoon command squad, 1= 1x 20man blobbed infantry squads

Maximum 14; 1 = Platoon command squad, 5 = 5x 10man infantry squads, 5 = 5x 3man heavy weapons team, 2 = 2x 6man Special weapons team, 1 = 1x 20+ conscripts.

Razerous wrote:Minimum 2; 1 = Platoon command squad, 1= 1x 20man blobbed infantry squads

Maximum 14; 1 = Platoon command squad, 5 = 5x 10man infantry squads, 5 = 5x 3man heavy weapons team, 2 = 2x 6man Special weapons team, 1 = 1x 20+ conscripts.

Max is 19. You forgot to give the Infantry Squads Chimeras

Gwar! wrote:

Razerous wrote:Minimum 2; 1 = Platoon command squad, 1= 1x 20man blobbed infantry squads

Maximum 14; 1 = Platoon command squad, 5 = 5x 10man infantry squads, 5 = 5x 3man heavy weapons team, 2 = 2x 6man Special weapons team, 1 = 1x 20+ conscripts.

Max is 19. You forgot to give the Infantry Squads Chimeras

That brought me to another point. So a unit and a dedicated transport are separate KP's?

Gavo wrote:That brought me to another point. So a unit and a dedicated transport are separate KP's?

Yes.

Gwar! wrote:

Gavo wrote:That brought me to another point. So a unit and a dedicated transport are separate KP's?

Yes.

Oh, dear. I thought the transport counted as nothing. Thanks, man. This will actually help me against my mech CSM friend.


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Finally, my friend says that if an independent character attaches to a squad, he and the squad count as 1 KP. I think that's not true, though. Any ideas? (i.e., Kharn w/ 8 zerkers)

Gavo wrote:Finally, my friend says that if an independent character attaches to a squad, he and the squad count as 1 KP. I think that's not true, though. Any ideas? (i.e., Kharn w/ 8 zerkers)

Nope, completely not true. They are worth 2KP, one for the IC, one for the Squad (retinue or not).

Thank you! My friend is wrong again and has an equal number of KP's as me (9). Sweet.

I had a similar situation at warhammer world a few weeks ago and had to ask the staff for help.

The to think of it is that a platoon essentially a formation of many units. Therefore it cannot be grouped as 1 KP.

This all just makes Imperial Guard easier to get kill points from than my Dark Eldar =O . . . And my standard 1500 point list has anywhere up to 19 KPs =/ . . . Just beg the dice Gods not to give you annihilation =p

Oshova

Praxiss wrote:I had a similar situation at warhammer world a few weeks ago and had to ask the staff for help.

The to think of it is that a platoon essentially a formation of many units. Therefore it cannot be grouped as 1 KP.

unfortunately, GW employees aren't the best choice to ask for rules and rumors. the RAW (and the general consensus on "how would you play it?") say they count as ONE unit. ONE unit is worth ONE kill point. the whole point of the rule is to give IG a chance at KP missions.

Sadly people look at GW staff as the be all and end all of rules knowledge. But during my short time as a member of staff you could have asked me anything about LOTR or WOTR and I would have used the age old term of "look in the rulebook yourself" lol

Oshova

Oshova wrote:Sadly people look at GW staff as the be all and end all of rules knowledge. But during my short time as a member of staff you could have asked me anything about LOTR or WOTR and I would have used the age old term of "look in the rulebook yourself" lol

Oshova

lol, then you were one of the honest ones. 10 years ago back in 3rd edition, my opponent and i disagreed about a rule and he wanted to call the GW rules hotline for an "official" answer. it was his first time calling them (i had called them once before then and gotten an nonsensical answer with no basis in the rules that would have made gwar poop his pants in sheer rage) and he was very proud of himself for thinking of such a grand solution. when he got his answer (in his favor), i called again and talked to a different person and got the completely opposite "official" answer just to prove the point. while i haven't kept in touch with him, i don't recall him ever calling the helpline ever again on our weekly gaming nights.

Gwar! wrote:

Razerous wrote:Minimum 2; 1 = Platoon command squad, 1= 1x 20man blobbed infantry squads

Maximum 14; 1 = Platoon command squad, 5 = 5x 10man infantry squads, 5 = 5x 3man heavy weapons team, 2 = 2x 6man Special weapons team, 1 = 1x 20+ conscripts.

Max is 19. You forgot to give the Infantry Squads Chimeras

Max is 20, Command Squad can have a Chimera too.

Oh U!

warboss wrote:

Praxiss wrote:I had a similar situation at warhammer world a few weeks ago and had to ask the staff for help.

The to think of it is that a platoon essentially a formation of many units. Therefore it cannot be grouped as 1 KP.

unfortunately, GW employees aren't the best choice to ask for rules and rumors. the RAW (and the general consensus on "how would you play it?") say they count as ONE unit. ONE unit is worth ONE kill point. the whole point of the rule is to give IG a chance at KP missions.

So aplatoon DOES count as 1 KP? that's insane! When we had tis arguement i was playign my chaos army. The scroes were actualy pretty close as, in a 1500 point list, if i remember correctly, he just had 2 platoons and an HQ squad...or somethgin like that.

Basically it looks like it is all or nothgin. if platoon dont coutn as 1 KP then IG get boned, if they do then their opponents get boned.

No, Warboss is 110% incorrect. A platoon is worth Multiple KP

And it doesn't count as 1 unit either.

I still don't get how a platoon counts as multiple KPs. Surely if they're grouped together they count as one unit. Otherwise you could seperate them part way through the battle, pick out on unit to shoot at etc. Then that would just be like normal. Right?

Or am I just going mad?

Oshova

If you combine in infantry squads then they only count as 1KP (+1 for the platoon command and any vehicles/conscripts/heavy weapon squads). Otherwise they give one each because they are each a separate unit.

Oshova wrote:I still don't get how a platoon counts as multiple KPs. Surely if they're grouped together they count as one unit. Otherwise you could seperate them part way through the battle, pick out on unit to shoot at etc. Then that would just be like normal. Right?

Or am I just going mad?

Oshova

because a Platoon consists of Multiple Units.

A Platoon of 1 Platoon Command Squad and 5 Infantry Squads is worth 6 KP.

If the Infantry Squads combined into a Single 50 Man Squad, then the Platoon would be worth 2 KP, because it consists of two Units.

There is No way whatsoever for a Platoon in the 5th Edition Imperial Guard Codex to be worth One KP.

Oshova wrote:I still don't get how a platoon counts as multiple KPs. Surely if they're grouped together they count as one unit.

A platoon contains several units and every individual unit is worth a KP. The squads aren't required to be next to each other on the board and they don't have to shoot the same target. If one falls back the others don't.

The only things units in IG platoons do all at once is Deploy and come in from Reserves as they're one single Troops choice on the FOC. No different than a squad of SM with a Rhino - they don't have to ride the transport or even deploy next to it. They are different units.

Aah OK that does work how I thought, just that I worded it badly =p Silly me. I even managed to confuse myself now that I've re-read it, cos it doesn't say what I thought it meant. Oh well, live and learn.

Oshova