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Whould they be useful or would they be a point sink?

The best unit which have the "wall" function to slogging orks.

Point sink? Maybe never. At maximium you could take 9, with the points cost of...no more than 400 pts. How can that became a points sink?

I have a friend that uses 6 Kans at 1850 and with a Big Mek backing them up it can be incredibly effective.

I would recommend it highly.

Come for the Klaws, stay for the Rokkits.

Rokkits or Grotzookas?

Depends. I tend to incorporate Loota firebases with my Kan walls so BS3 Rokkits aren't remarkably attractive when compared to the murderous 18" death that is the Grotzooka.

Seriously, anybody who has ever watched a transport explode and then chucked eighteen blast templates into the occupants knows the horror that 'Zookas can wreak. Marine players are often surprised at how they die in droves to Kan shooting.

Of course if your footslogging list lacks long range anti-tank firepower, you cant go wrong with rokkits on your kans. If you have a whole 9 kans in your list though, you can probably suffice with 6 kans with rokkits, and 3 with grotzookas.

Both!

3 rokkits 6 grotzookas or vice versa.

If playing mech, rokkits eat the tanks, zookas eat the occupants.

Horde? Well there's bound to be a few big things (MC's, nobs) worth firing the rokkits at.

I think I might stack up on these considering the Grotzookas!!

Ugh. Grotzookas....so fail at tourneys. They take like 5 minutes to shoot, cost more last rounds than mortars.

But if i fire the rokkits i cant move. Correct?

Stubby wrote:But if i fire the rokkits i cant move. Correct?

Walkers may always move and fire 2 weapons.

Also rokkits are assault weapons so even boyz may move and fire them.

Please use Rokkits. Seriously. As a favor to yourself and all humanity just use Rokkits.

The 90+ Choppas on the table are all you really need for Crowd Control.

Only a weedy git would shoot dem beakies insteada gettin' stuck in!

so the best amount would be 6-9 kans?

40kenthusiast wrote:Ugh. Grotzookas....so fail at tourneys. They take like 5 minutes to shoot, cost more last rounds than mortars.

I have absolutely no trouble with Grotzookas, 10+ frag missile Long Fangs, or IG Executioner shooting. If blast template resolution is taking too long, my experience is it's because one person is trying to be a dick fudging the placement to max/min models under the blast as opposed to the mechanic being onerous.

Five minutes to fire three units isn't remarkably slow, either.

If someone's firing the grotzookas slowly, they are the problem, not the gun. Ork players have to be quick with the dice, you get to roll more than every other army.

And to the OP, kans are usually BEST in a footsloggin' list since they can't keep up with your transports and would have to compete with battlewagons for force org slots in a mechanized list. If you're running kans/dreads, 6 is usually the minimum and 3 kans is better than 1 dread for a Heavy slot. The rokkits/grotzookas question depends on your other forces. I usually have lootas and/or warbuggies w/ rokkits, so I tend to lean towards grotzookas, but will probably (when the plastics arrive) magnetize my third units' guns to swap back and forth for more versatility.

40kenthusiast wrote:Ugh. Grotzookas....so fail at tourneys. They take like 5 minutes to shoot, cost more last rounds than mortars.

Come on now Walt. When have you played against an Ork player in a tournament locally that didnt get through the entire game? The only time my games end at the time limit, is when my opponent is slow, not me. Not all Ork players take a million years to roll their Zookas.



Clay

the core of my list is all 11kanz and my 2 meks so efective


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get 11 and 3-4 meks realy efective i wiped out 2 landraiders,7 terminators,2 tactal squads in apocalpse with 12 kans n 4 meks

Is that in APOC only? Because you're limited to nine Kans if you play by the Force Organisation chart.

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This master uses kans with a mix of footslogging/tank style. I hope this will help your game plays after reading his battle reports, while I am trying to figure out how to beat it with my tyranid.

@pika. Meks allow one unit of kans or a dred to be taken as a troops choice. non scoring, but it means orks have the lowest possable legal army size, 4....2 meks and 2 dreds.

An effictive list might be a big mek. a dred and 2 units of 3 kans for the wall.

Mek with KFF giving the Kans cover while the kans give cover to the dred and boyz behind. Dred is there for some serious krumping power once you get stuck in. 4 DCCWs FTW. don't bother with guns for the dreds, they arn't worth it

And you can actually take 9 kans and 2 dreds potentially in a list. 2 meks allow the dreds to use troops slots. the mek might also affect kans too

I believe that is incorrect. I think the Mek allows you to take a Deff Dread as a Troop choice, so 2 Big Meks would allow 2 Dreads as Troops. Kans are not included as a possibility for becoming a Troop selection.


I will double check, but I am pretty sure I am right.



Clay

Primarch is indeed correct: The Meks can only take Deff Dreds as Troops, not Killa Kans.

Grey Templar wrote:@pika. Meks allow one unit of kans or a dred to be taken as a troops choice. non scoring, but it means orks have the lowest possable legal army size, 4....2 meks and 2 dreds.

An effictive list might be a big mek. a dred and 2 units of 3 kans for the wall.

Mek with KFF giving the Kans cover while the kans give cover to the dred and boyz behind. Dred is there for some serious krumping power once you get stuck in. 4 DCCWs FTW. don't bother with guns for the dreds, they arn't worth it

And you can actually take 9 kans and 2 dreds potentially in a list. 2 meks allow the dreds to use troops slots. the mek might also affect kans too

Firstly, it allows the dread to be taken as a troop choice, but it's still non-scoring. Secondly, that list has major weaknesses and isn't particularly viable for anything other than casual. Interesting army by all means, but not a powerful one.

I did say it was non scoring. I wasn't sure if kans were included.

but a 2 mek, 2 dred and 9 kan list with supporting boyz would be an interesting list

I think as soon as the new kans get here ill try it.


I don't like the way the new dreds look. they look wierd

Rokkits vs KMB on the Kans?

I go with the KMB, but is there a plus to the rokkits that I am missing?

Keep in mind that they would be going on the Kans.....so no worrying about "Gets Hot!"

Well, for an extra +5 points, you're getting one better AP on your armanent, giving the kans a dual purpose in taking out transports and eliminating heavy infantry (heavy terminators). Personally I'd just stick with the rokkits

The only difference is cost . +5 is small for other armies but not for orks and especially not in a kanwall list. Upgrading to KMB's 9 times that would be 45pts, that's a grot mob, a rokkit buggy, a deffkopta, a trukk, an extra 2 nobz, 2 kannonz, etc.

So you have to look at what ap2 is gaining you. I don't really play against many 2+ save units personally, the only ones that ever show up are th/ss termies who aren't really perturbed by a few KMB's either.

Yeah, for an all-comers list, KMBs don't seem worth it. but I'd probably take them against a terminator opponent.