Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I had a situation come up in a game tonight that I was hoping to get some clarification on. Search revealed no results, so I pose this to those who know better.

It was deployment phase in a Dawn of War match, I deployed my two tactical squads and my HQ unit on the board. My HQ unit consisted of Vulkan and 5 TH/SS Terminators inside a Land Raider. A friend of mine indicated to me that this was illegal, as technically the Terminators are a unit in-and-of-their own, so in a DoW game cannot be deployed. I insisted that the Terminators and Vulkan were joined and thus a single unit, and so not restricted in this way, however in the interest of saving face I relented and kept the unit off the board.

So my question is, who was right? In a Dawn of War match can I deploy my Vulkan unit on the board?

unbeliever87 wrote:I had a situation come up in a game tonight that I was hoping to get some clarification on. Search revealed no results, so I pose this to those who know better.

It was deployment phase in a Dawn of War match, I deployed my two tactical squads and my HQ unit on the board. My HQ unit consisted of Vulkan and 5 TH/SS Terminators inside a Land Raider. A friend of mine indicated to me that this was illegal, as technically the Terminators are a unit in-and-of-their own, so in a DoW game cannot be deployed. I insisted that the Terminators and Vulkan were joined and thus a single unit, and so not restricted in this way, however in the interest of saving face I relented and kept the unit off the board.

So my question is, who was right? In a Dawn of War match can I deploy my Vulkan unit on the board?

You were wrong. Dead Wrong. Not to mention there is no way for the Land Raider itself to be deployed either, as it would be either an Elites (being a Dedicated Transport) or a Heavy Support, neither of which can be deployed.

What if he had deployed the HQ in the LR on his own? Woudl this then not count as his HQ unit?

Interesting! Definitely not what I was expecting, but thanks for clarifying that.

Edit: So let me see if I'm getting this right. An IC can be joined to a unit during deployment, however as the unit cannot be deployed on the field (as per DoW rules) the HQ unit cannot be on the field either. Am I joining all the dots correctly here?

Praxiss wrote:What if he had deployed the HQ in the LR on his own? Woudl this then not count as his HQ unit?

He still could never deploy the land raider as it is either an elite dedicated transport or a Heavy support and you are only allowed 1 HQ unit and 2 troops units

Units do not equal Choices from the Force Organization Chart either; they are individual Vehicles, or squads, or ICs, or MCs.

unbeliever87 wrote:Interesting! Definitely not what I was expecting, but thanks for clarifying that.

Edit: So let me see if I'm getting this right. An IC can be joined to a unit during deployment, however as the unit cannot be deployed on the field (as per DoW rules) the HQ unit cannot be on the field either. Am I joining all the dots correctly here?

The trick here is, you can't "declare" a unit to be attached during deployment, only when putting a unit into reserves, the way you deploy an IC attached to a unit is to deploy the unit and then deploy the IC within 2" of the unit. So in the case of Dawn of War, there's no way to get another unit on the board for the IC to deploy inside (other than troops).

That makes sense. Thanks for that guys!

I have a question in relation to this deployment setup. Do you /have/ to deploy the HQ/Troops at all, and if you do not would it be in regular reserves or would it be in Dawn of War reserves

MAY deploy. Not "have to" deploy

You can then place them in regular or DoW reserves, same as any other unit that is not deployed.

you can deploy UP TO 2 troops and 1 hq units in dawn of war. what's a unit? the easiest way i've found to explain it is to simply say something that CAN (not must or should or if you want them too) move and fire on its own is a unit and is considered separate for a dawn of war deployment and is worth one KP. so, that marine HQ that can buy a command squad with a ride all for one HQ slot? three separate units each worth 1 kill point and each counting as your HQ choice (so you'd have to pick 1 of the 3).