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Firstly, I have not played in an 'official' Rogue Trader Tournament in five years (and cannot find the 'official' rules on GW's website), so if there is anything wrong with this rules-wise, please point it out. Also, I am not sure if official tourneys still score for army composition.

HQ:
Eldrad Ulthran: 210 pts.
Farseer, Guide, Runes of Witnessing, 85 pts.

Elites:
10 Harlequins, Shadowseer, 9 Kisses 246 pts.
6 Dragons, Exarch, Tank Hunters, 123
Wave Serpent: EML's, Spirit Stones, 130 pts.

Troops:
5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Dire Avengers, Exarch, Extra Catapult, Defend, 92 pts.
5 Dire Avengers, Exarch, Extra Catapult, Defend, 92 pts.

Heavy Support:
Falcon, EML, Holofield, 170
Falcon, EML, Holofield, 170
Fire prism: Holofield, 150

Total Points: 1948

I was able to find a Fire Prism. What should I do with the other 52 points?

EDIT: I am attempting to make a list of what I have available, that would be paintable before the tourney. Here are the models I have access to that are not already used in the list:

Painted:
Wraithlord
40-ish Guardians
10 Banshees
6 Scorpions
15 more Rangers

Unpainted:
10 more Dire Avengers
Avatar
1 more Wave Serpent

Things I could borrow but would then have to paint:
2 more Wraithlords
6 Vypers
more Banshees, Scorpions, and Harlequins

Save yourself some grief, don't field swooping hawks. Composition is gone.

10 guardians... there's no need for a warlock with conceal, all cover provides a 4+, also with lousy bs3 accuracy, a scatter laser won't really do anything to anyone, but if you take a ELM or Brightlance, at least you'll scare people if it does hit.

Your direavengers really should be in a wave serpent. And for goodness sakes,.... take some heavy choices... wraithlords and fire prisms are pure money these days.

Your call if you want to field the autarch, if you do... consider what he can reasonably do. If you want long range support, give him the reaper launcher and stick him with the guardians, if you do... don't bother with the power sword., even if you don't, don't bother with the power sword, you got banshees and they are way better.

With your elites choices, other than acrobatics on the bansees... strip off all wargear and upgrades on the banshees, fire dragons, and wave serpents... maybe spirit stones, but things like tank hunters on a melta gun squad are not useful, and vectored engines do not have any rules in 5th edition. An exarch with firepike is a longer range fusion gun... drive close to the enemy, save the points. You are off to a decent start.

Try running 3 fire prism with just holofields, and strip the toys off most of the rest of the squads... I think you'll have a very competitive list.

First of all, welcome back to the tournies. The list overall could use some TLC.

Eldrad - Great for his cost, claiming a "Alaitoc" list and taking him though isn't very fluff.
Autarch - Honestly Not seeing a use for him in this list. The 1+ reserves can always be a good thing for hawks but a reaper launcher has no use.

Banshees - Warshout is pretty meh, in a ldr 10 world you'll rarely see this go off. If your hitting something with mirror swords make sure you have doom on the target.
Fire Dragons - Exarch isn't worth the upgrade cost. If something doesn't die to 7-8 melta shots then +1 pen won't help. Firepike is nice, but if you using it's range that means the rest of the shots are out of range.

Serpents - Vectored engines is nice, but the cost on them is a lil brutal for their usefulness.

Rangers/Pathfinders: Most folks play with 5 man squads due to the point cost, but I haven't played with them so can't comment.
Guardians - Take embolden on the lock and take off the singing spear. Deploy into cover and pop off SL shots, but if they are in 12" range for your SS then your already dead. Embolden will help keep them on the board because ldr 8 will run off the board hella fast.
Dire Avengers - Good makeup, but these must be in a serpent. DA on foot are dead, period.

Swooping Hawks - Most will regard these as terribly, being a player that players 2-3 squads almost every game... I can partially agree lol. If they are on the board they are dead, keep this in mind. Use skyleap to jump back into reserves each round until you see an opening for them. 10 hawks is usually brutal overkill point to usefullness.

My recommendations (sticking close to what you already have since you prob have models already):

Eldrad - Attach to banshees
Farseer w/ Guide, Doom, Stones - Attach to DA

10 Banshees Exarch w/ Executioner - Wave Serpent: Scatter Laser, Spirit Stones
6 Fire Dragons - Wave Serpent: Scatter Laser, Spirit Stones

5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
10 Guardians Warlock, Embolden, Scatter Laser
10 DA Exarch, Dual Cata, Bladestorm - Wave Serpent: EML, Spirit Stones

5 Hawks Exarch, Sunrifle, Skyleap


If you want to do a Alaitoc style list I would recommend something like:

Autarch - Reaper Launcher, Power Weapon - Attach to guardians
Farseer w/ Guide, Doom, Stones, runes of warding - Attach to DA

10 Fire Dragons - Wave Serpent: S Cannon
9 Harliquins, Shadowseer, all Kisses

5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
10 Guardians Warlock, Embolden, Scatter Laser
10 DA Exarch, Dual Cata, Bladestorm - Wave Serpent: EML, Spirit Stones

2 Warwalkers w/ Dual Scatter Lasers
2 Warwalkers w/ Dual Scatter Lasers
2 Warwalkers w/ Dual Scatter Lasers

I added my lists of stuff I would be able to use to my original post. I don't have the cash to shell out for a bunch of war walkers or fire prisms, unfortunately. I know Eldrad is not Alaitoc, but since Eldrad is dead anyway, and I assume that every craftworld would have at least one farseer at that in-game 'power level' that I can get away with using him. I use him with a different name, and he is painted to match my army. According to my fluff, though they are from Alaitoc originally, my eldar are trying to find Ynnead in the webway, and so I usually use upwards of 30 rangers and some harlequins, for fluffy reasons. As I said, I don't play many tournaments or competitions for 40k.

Is it worth it to have a bunch of 5 man pathfinder squads? It seems that is just begging for lots of kill point losses. I had a bad experience at a (non rtt) tournament right when 5th edition came out when I put 17 kill points on the table with daemonhunters (I had not read the new victory rules when I made the army).

If I drop the dragons to 6 members and the hawks to five, I could get a Falcon for the dragons and use their serpent for the Dire Avengers. What is the verdict on that? I would ditch some wargear to get a holofield for it.

Well, the list is semi-competitive.
If you play at the 2k level, you need to max out the HS slots.
Swooping Hawks are a mediocre unit that is good for friendly play, but not at the competitive level.

Your troop selection is absolutely awful.

Based on what you have available here is what would prob work in my eyes. (Note: at work and don't have AB with me, so you'll have to look over the points)

Farseer w/ Guide - Attach to one of the DA squads
Eldrad - Attach to one of the DA squads

6 Fire Dragons - Wave Serpent: S Cannon
9 Harliquins, Shadowseer, all Kisses

5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
5 Rangers (Pathfinder if you have the points)
5 Rangers (Pathfinder if you have the points)
5 DA - In Falcon
5 DA - In Falcon

Falcon - EML, Holofields, Stones
Falcon - EML, Holofields, Stones
Wraithlord w/ Wraithsword only

Thoughts:
- pathfinders in 5 mans give you a better chance at taking objectives. If a Pathfinder squad is getting killed it's typically by something that will kill it as a whole due to ignore cover etc. 5 mans means you not losing a pile of points when that happens.
- Falcons, use these are long range gunboats to score adn pop armor. Use the farseer/eldrad to give the tank guide each round. 3 s8 shots TL will do a lot of hurt.
- Wraithlord, tough cannon fodder. Run him up the field to soak up anti-tank shots so the Falcons aren't getting shaken. For 100pts he will serve his purpose.
- Harlies, use them as a screen for a pathfinder unit or as a protection wall for counter charge.
- Fire Dragons, go for the nastiest thing on the board full speed.

The latter list looks better, but its damage output is too less at this level.
I'd drop the Farseer for an Avatar to help out the Pathfinders if in danger.

Farseer w/ Guide - Attach to one of the DA squads
Eldrad - Attach to one of the DA squads

6 Fire Dragons - Wave Serpent: S Cannon
9 Harliquins, Shadowseer, all Kisses

5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
5 Rangers (Pathfinder if you have the points)
5 Rangers (Pathfinder if you have the points)
5 DA - In Falcon
5 DA - In Falcon

Falcon - EML, Holofields, Stones
Falcon - EML, Holofields, Stones
Wraithlord w/ Wraithsword only

Doing the points for this, I have it at 1741 points. This is after taking ten harlequins (including shadowseer), giving the DA bladestorm exarchs, and making all the rangers pathfinders. Is adding an Avatar instead of the regular farseer worth it for just another countercharge? He sure won't be reaching any enemies across the board with a 6 inch move. Even if I did that, I should have enough for 10 banshees. Any thoughts?

exitus wrote: Doing the points for this, I have it at 1741 points. This is after taking ten harlequins (including shadowseer), giving the DA bladestorm exarchs, and making all the rangers pathfinders. Is adding an Avatar instead of the regular farseer worth it for just another countercharge? He sure won't be reaching any enemies across the board with a 6 inch move. Even if I did that, I should have enough for 10 banshees. Any thoughts?

The dire avengers shouldn't get exarches with bladestorm, they aren't meant to leave the falcon, they are meant to control objectives, and be tough as nails. With the extra over 250 points you could get... hmmm, you could flesh out some ranger squads (not the best idea).

Or.... you could... get some howling banshees? Though they don't really seem at home in this list.

Though striking scorpions would seem alaitoc-y, that and I prefer them over howling banshees.

The list though, seems to be lacking punch, though you would expect that when you're under by 250 points, hehehehe.

I miss my alaitoc army, you have inspired me to play with them this week, i'll probably get womped on, but my friends won't be prepared for this, seeing as for about 4 months i've been mech-crazy.

Hope i've given a few usable suggestions, I feel kind of out of it, anyhoo, good luck at the tournament, i'm proud to say I took first (due to some particuraly atrocious IG players...) at an adepticon last saturday. First tournament I won, everyone actually thought it was a joke :(...

It's probably already said in the posts above but please remove the autarch for a second farseer or Yriel. The second farseer would really benefit you if you go for a gunline tactic. Dire Avengers are amazing in tournament mode, get bladestorm and a Wave Serpent and you will see results. Drop Swooping Hawks, it's a 4th edition unit that are suffering from being underpowered and an identity crisis. Indeed you need heavy support, Rangers are cool and if you go for a gunline I would probably suggest Wraithlords however even without being mech Fire Prism are still viable long ranged support.

Updated list. Dire avengers with farseers in the falcons, ready to hop out and hold objectives on last turn. Defend to hold off attackers.

5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Rangers, Pathfinders, 120 pts.
5 Dire Avengers, Exarch, Extra Catapult, Defend, 92 pts.
5 Dire Avengers, Exarch, Extra Catapult, Defend, 92 pts.

Heavy Support:
Falcon, EML, Holofield, 170
Falcon, EML, Holofield, 170
Fire prism: Holofield, 150

Well, I'd drop the Falcons and take 2 naked Prisms.
Moreeover, I'd consider two full DA units with blade storm in Serpents
and spend the rest on Pathfinders.

Well, I'd drop the Falcons and take 2 naked Prisms.
Moreeover, I'd consider two full DA units with blade storm in Serpents
and spend the rest on Pathfinders.

Well, if I could find two more prisms, that is what I would do. I have enough rangers (I would need to paint 15) to run 4 full squads of pathfinders, but I'm not sure how effective that would be, what with having to drop the harlequins and dragons to do it...especially with the full units of avengers and an extra wave serpent.