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Hi all!
I am thinking of new ways of improving my ork list and feel that it could still use some tweaking, as I wrote on the post's name, this list is revised and I think it improved. If you want to see the list in it's earlier days, check it in the things-I-posted thingie.

HQ1:
Ghazghull Thraka : 225 pts.

HQ2
Big Mek : 90 pts.
- KFF
- Bosspole

TROOP1
10 Slugga Boyz : 110 pts.
-Trukk
-- Reinforced Ram
-- RPJ
-- Boarding Plank

TROOP2,3,4
12 Slugga Boyz + Nob /w PK and Bosspole : 162 pts. x 3 = 486 pts.
-Trukk
--Reinforced ram
-- RPJ
-- Boarding Plank

TROOP5
19 Grotz + Runtherd : 67 pts.

ELITE1
15 Lootas : 225 pts.

ELITE2
10 Nobz : 610 pts.
- Painboy
- 10 Cybork bodies
- 5 PK
- 4 Big Choppas
- 9 Kombi-Skorchas
- 1 Bosspole
- 1 Waaagh! banner
- Battlewagon
-- RPJ
-- Reinforced ram
-- 3 Big shootas
-- Boarding plank

FASTATTACK1,2
1 Deffkopta : 70 pts. x 2 = 140 pts.
- TL Rokkits
- Buzzsaw

FASTATTACK3
1 Deffkopta : 45 pts.
-TL Rokkits

GRAND TOTAL : 1998 PTS.

HQ1 goes with TROOP1
HQ2 goes with ELITE2

That's it!, hope it's fine!
Constructive criticism VERY welcome!

Puttnig ghazgkull in a trukk isn't a good idea. Pop the trukk and ghazgkull is walking, he'll have to roll 3D6 for movement as he's a I.C and will slow down the other unit.

Two units of lootas are better than one. I guess the grotz are to give them cover? Really, I would drop the grotz and just make sure the lootas deploy in terrain.

Also you only have one battlewagon, this will be a easy target as its the only one on the board in your army.

Ok so I will drop the grotz and will have to tweak some stuff to find space for another BW for ghazzy, I might frop the unit of Nobz because they are so costly, thanks for the advice!

No worries!

I just thought of an entirely new list which is something like this first one, but with more anti-tank capibility, here it goes!

HQ1
KFF mek /w Bosspole - 90

HQ2
KFF mek /w Bosspole - 90

12 Boyz + Nob /w PK and BP - 162
- Trukk /w RPJ, RR, BP

X4 = 648

x7 Tankbustas + Nob /w PK and BP - 220
- 2 tankhammas
- 2 bomb squigs

TRANSPORT : BW /w RPJ, RR, BP, x2 BS - 115 pts.

x15 Burna Boyz - 225

TRANSPORT : BW /w RPJ, RR, BP, x2 BS - 115 pts.

x15 Lootas - 225

TOTAL : 1728

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The problem here is that I have NO idea how to use my last 272 points. So I need help again.

THANKS!

EDIT: I was going to put a mob of 6 nobs in there, to go into the wagon with the tankbustas, but I realisted I have no more elite spots and no warboss or Ghazzy. *cry*

I'd say spend your last 272 on some Deff Coptas to add to your anti-tank and provide a great distraction for a turn to help your trucks get down the board.

Or max out your Tankbustas. Another 6 rokkits are nothing to snuff at.

now I'm thinking of something like this:

HQ1:
Ghazzy - 225 pts.

HQ2:
Big Mek - 225 pts.
-KFF
-Burna
-Bosspole

ELITE1:
15 Lootas - 225 pts.

ELITE2:
15 Burna Boyz - 225 pts.

ELITE3:
15 Tankbustas - 270 pts.
- 3 Bomb squigs
- 2 tankhammas
- Nob /w PK and Bosspole

TROOP1,2,3,4,5:
12 Boyz - 162 x 5 = 810 pts.
- Nob /w PK and Bosspole
- Trukk
-- RPJ
-- Reinforced Ram
-- Boarding Plank

HEAVY1:
Battlewagon - 115 pts.
- RPJ
- Boarding Plank
- Reinforced Ram
- x2 Big Shoota

HEAVY2:
Looted Wagon - 50 pts.
- RPJ
- Big Shoota
- Reinforced Ram

Tankbustas go into the Looted Wagon and get dropped off somewhere in range of tanks, Burnas go into the battlewagon killing s*** with templates, Lootas support fire from cover, 5 trukks full of boyz are supposed to be surrounding the KFF wagon in turn 1 so they get obscured and block fire from the BW. In turn 2 the trukks should be unloading and killing everything. Ghaz will go along with the tankbustas hunting tuff' stuff down.

Comments?

You need two units of lootas, really. I would drop the tank bustas mainly because you plan to bail them out. Orks with 6+ save in the open are dead. The lootas will give long range threat and covering support which will do for anti infantry and anti vehicle. There only worry is a outflank assault unit and long range ordnance.

Keep the burnas though as they are a very good unit, providing you keep them in a battlewagon

Alright, I'm still flexing my brain on this one. since I will drop my tankbustas, what will be my anti-tank capibility? I'll have naught. What I'm doing now is this: I thought of a bulk of my list that I'll try and customise from a certain point. This point has all the essentials in my army. Thi is as follows:

KFF Mek - 85
KFF Mek - 85

X4 x12 Boyz + Nob /w PK and BP - 167 x 4 = 668
- Trukk /w RPJ, Boarding Plank, Reinforced Ram and Grot Riggers

X2 Battlewagon /w 2 Big shootas, Boarding plank, Reinforced ram, Grot riggers, RPJ - 125 x 2 = 250

This puts me at 1094 points if I'm correct. Now I'm preety sure I want Lootas and Burnas, but then what will I have as anti-tank?? Maybe some deffkoptas but against AV14 like a LR I'm compleatly screwed. I NEED HELP!

Will you allow someone to question the premise of "mech orcs"? A couple of squads in trukks will always be handy for fast assault, but it seems to me the very idea, of "mech orks" is hobbling the list and depriving you of some fundamantal tools of the ork list....

Pretty sure I mentioned getting another unit of lootas and you've already got a unit already.....doesn't look like naught anti tank to me..??

Another thought:

HQ1:
KFF Mek /w Bosspole - 90

HQ2
KFF Mek - 85

TROOP1,2,3:
x3 x12 Boyz + Nob /w PK and Bosspole - 167 x 3 = 501
- Trukk /w RPJ, RR, BP, GR

TROOP4:
x19 'ard Boyz + Nob /w PK and Bosspole - 230

ELITE1:
x15 Burna Boyz - 225

ELITE2:
x15 Lootas - 225

ELITE3:
x15 Lootas - 225

FASTATTACK1:
x1 Deffkopta /w TL Rokkits + Buzzsaw - 70

FASTATTACK2,3:
x2 x1 Deffkopta /w TL Rokkits - 45 x 2 = 90

HEAVY1,2:
x2 Battlewagon /w BS, Kannon, RPJ, BP, RR, GR - 130 x 2 = 260

TOTAL : 2000

Let me know what you think!

I wouldn't waste points on ard boyz, just make them normal boyz.

Split the deffkopters so single or put the buzzsaw into the unit. Its easy to take down one deffkopter which is the only one with a buzzsaw.

They are separeate, see? it says FASTATTACK2,3. Also where would I spend the 80 or so points that I get from making the ard boyz normal?

AH yeah I see now.

Lose the kannon on the wagons as you can only move 6" and fire it but your boyz won't be getting into range. With the points save you've got enough to by a third wagon, just need more troops to put in there now.


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Or give all the kopters buzzsaws.

I cant figure how you can play to win with only 4 trukks of orks and a mob of looters stuck on your baseline.

You have commited yourself to the attack, but note that once your trukks and your wagon roll forward, they will actually start blocking the lootas LOS (Line of sight).

Not only this. Trukk mobs are great for tangling with the enemy. But once they do they dont have the numbers, the armour or the morale to WIN. Trukks are a first wave, but you need MORE mobs as a second wave, bigger mobs because numbers grant fearless! Or more

Have you considered the (big) advantages of putting your nobs on bikes. The battlewagon is a point sink because (1) its pretty slow. (2) The relevant armour is 12 on the side, not 14 onn the front. the closer you get to the enemy the greater their arcs for side shots.

For nobs, trukks or bikes are better, trukks are actually AWESOME, the ramshackle rule can actually work in a your way hugely by ADDING to your distance travelled...lol. (hilarious!)
Personally I think if you want to go mech then leave the looters and wagon at home. Take two warbosses and stick em in mobs of nobs (troops) on trukks, and then use the elite slots to have biking nobs with combi scorchas doing their thing. Id get rid of everything that wasn't a fast moving ork with at least one powerklaw in each unit.

If you do go all mech, then you can also play the cute "all in reserve" start which leaves the other dude scratching his scrotum in turn one with nothing to shoot at.

If you want mech, it should be all mech, (no lootas) and nobs rule.

If you want lootas you gotta build a totally different list.

I posted my own list up there cos I don't want to give the wrong impression when I tell everyone else they are full of shate.

The critique is based on sound physics, maths and play experience, for what its worth.

OTG.

OTG

Orc Town Grot wrote:I cant figure how you can play to win with only 4 trukks of orks and a mob of looters stuck on your baseline.

You have commited yourself to the attack, but note that once your trukks and your wagon roll forward, they will actually start blocking the lootas LOS (Line of sight).

Not only this. Trukk mobs are great for tangling with the enemy. But once they do they dont have the numbers, the armour or the morale to WIN. Trukks are a first wave, but you need MORE mobs as a second wave, bigger mobs because numbers grant fearless! Or more

Have you considered the (big) advantages of putting your nobs on bikes. The battlewagon is a point sink because (1) its pretty slow. (2) The relevant armour is 12 on the side, not 14 onn the front. the closer you get to the enemy the greater their arcs for side shots.

For nobs, trukks or bikes are better, trukks are actually AWESOME, the ramshackle rule can actually work in a your way hugely by ADDING to your distance travelled...lol. (hilarious!)
Personally I think if you want to go mech then leave the looters and wagon at home. Take two warbosses and stick em in mobs of nobs (troops) on trukks, and then use the elite slots to have biking nobs with combi scorchas doing their thing. Id get rid of everything that wasn't a fast moving ork with at least one powerklaw in each unit.

If you do go all mech, then you can also play the cute "all in reserve" start which leaves the other dude scratching his scrotum in turn one with nothing to shoot at.

If you want mech, it should be all mech, (no lootas) and nobs rule.

If you want lootas you gotta build a totally different list.

I posted my own list up there cos I don't want to give the wrong impression when I tell everyone else they are full of shate.

The critique is based on sound physics, maths and play experience, for what its worth.

OTG.

OTG

I like to go all mech and loota fire support is alweys welcome IMO, plus I like to have what I want on the board and I think thats what makes the game awesome, but wait theres more, it gets even more awesome when the units you like are good. WHo said that lootas are bad in mech lists? I see them in practically every mech ork post on this forum. I have tried it with nobs and you know where I'm at? 1 solid unit WITHOUT transport costs 400 points, maxed out, with a painboy and some PKs. Oh and BWs are good, so are trukks, I have played a game where NONE of my trukks were destroyed by the end of turn 1. If your BWs die in turn 1 or 2, then I think you should think how you play them.

Thanks!

P.S. So I've taken off the 'ardness of my boyz and switched the kannon with a big shoota, so now I have like 90 summink points. I gave my koptas buzzsaws, now I have 40 summink points, any ideas??

Eh? Lootas get LOS blocked? Stick them up on a 2 storey ruin. Any one knows that. LOS won't be blocked then and they can see the entire field. No one would put lootas on the ground which pretty much a lot of things would block LOS. Also ork forces wouldn't block LOS all the time, the orks won't cover a full 6ft table...

Fully agreed but I'd also like to know what you think I should do with the remaining points *winkwink*

Buzzsaws on all kopters.

I have that already

Akk kopters? The others just say rokkits only.

HQ1:
KFF Mek /w Bosspole, cyborked - 95

HQ2
KFF Mek, cyborked - 90

TROOP1,2,3:
x3 x12 Boyz + Nob /w PK and Bosspole - 167 x 3 = 501
- Trukk /w RPJ, RR, BP, GR

TROOP4:
x19 Boyz + Nob /w PK - 154 pts.

ELITE1:
x15 Burna Boyz - 225

ELITE2:
x15 Lootas - 225

ELITE3:
x15 Lootas - 225

FASTATTACK1,2,3:
x3 x1 Deffkopta /w TL Rokkits and buzzsaw - 70 x 3 = 210

HEAVY1,2:
x2 Battlewagon /w x2 BS, RPJ, BP, Deff rolla, GR - 130 x 2 = 280

TOTAL: 2000 pts.

Hm??