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Excuse me but I'm on travel and don't have my rules book and codex with me. Some friends of mine have been debating the following scenario:

• A broken squad of Necron Warriors, can they teleport through the Monolith or is this a voluntary action on the part of the unit?

• Can a broken squad of Necron Warriors below 50 percent regroup if they pass enough WBB saves such that they are above 50 percent again?

G

Yes to both (but see my disagreement with the second below). BRB with references.

Edit: Here's the 50% one from the Necron FAQ:
Q. What happens if a Necron squad is falling back and comes within 6" of Necron casualties of the same type from another unit. If those Necrons make their WBB roll, do they join this unit, even if it is broken?
A. They must join the closest unit, even if the unit in range is broken, the new troops can join this unit. If they join a unit that is broken, the unit remains broken. If they join a broken unit, the repaired Necrons fall back with the broken unit. If the new models raise the troop strength above 50%, it will meet the 50% criteria for regrouping and may regroup at the appropriate time.

Teleporting the Falling Back unit, this is from the INAT:
NEC.21E.02 – Q: If a Monolith moves and then teleports a Necron unit that is „falling back‟ from a previous turn (but hasn‟t moved yet this phase), what happens?
A: Before it is teleported, the unit must take its test to regroup (if able). If the unit fails to regroup, then when it emerges from the portal it will still count as „falling back‟, but will not move any further this phase (as they count as having disembarked from a moving vehicle) [clarification].

Now I will say that I disagree with certain aspects of the teleporting a Falling Back unit. GW FAQ says this about a Necron Lord being able to use the Veil while Falling back:
Veil of Darkness may not be used by a Lord who is falling back at the start of the turn (as he is not free to move normally). So why can a unit of whatever teleport through the Monolith when they are not free to move normally. Yes, I know it can be done in addition to their fall back movement, which brings me to my second point. All movement by a unit falling back should be towards their board edge if possible. Can't find it right now but there is an FAQ about running while falling back, and the answer is yes, as long as it's towards the board edge they are fleeing towards, ie you can use other forms of movement as long as that movement brings you closer to your board edge. So why should the Monolith teleport be able to break these examples? IMO, it shouldn't. They should only be able to teleport through the Monolith if the teleport will bring them closer to their board edge.

Thanks!

G

The real question is why are you playing Necrons?

don_mondo -I believe the difference here is that VoD is movement *triggered* by the lord, whereas the Monolith is movement triggered by the monolith.

It is the difference between "cannot move" and "will be moved" (tankshocking a s'pod) - one prevents the unit from moving itself, but does not prevent an external force from moving the unit.

And yes, why play necrons unless you want the wooden spoon?

The question is it considered voluntary movement for the Crons when ya pull them through the lith.

And no I dont play with Cronz.

G

The reason we changed the ruling on this in the INAT is because in 5th edition, falling back units don't attempt to regroup (and continue to fall back if they fail) until the unit actually moves in the movement phase...you don't do it right at the start of the phase anymore.

This means the Monolith is allowed to use its Portal to teleport the unit before it attempts to regroup and/or continues to fall back.

It is this fact that is very, very important. It is the Monolith that is doing the teleporting, not the choice of the falling back unit. This teleportation is not being done by the unit, but rather by the Monolith and therefore the rules seem to allow a Necron Falling back unit to be teleported.

Green Blow Fly wrote:The question is it considered voluntary movement for the Crons when ya pull them through the lith.

And no I dont play with Cronz.

G

The question was already answered - the monolith *forces* the unit to port through (you activate the monolith and it performs the action, not the unit) and as such the *units* prohibition on falling back is irrelevant - exactly the same as a drop pod may not move, but it can BE moved (for example a blood slaughterer with impaler)

Uh huh. So a below 50% unit of Necron Warriors can actually manage to never leave the table by constantly teleporting through the Monolith, back away from their table edge. Am I the only one that sees a problem with this......?

Nope it's really nifty that they can plan to keep teleing the around shooting at you the whole time ^_^ Makes people want to actually kill the whole unit that hope having enough necrons run away will trigger a phase.

Well pardon me if I still disagree and maintain my belief that all movement by a falling back unit, regardless of how that movement is accomplished, has to be towards their table edge.

Well as long as they come out of the side on the monolith closest to their table edge it's be all good right? The actual movment (walking) they'd have done then would have been out of the 'Lith to the edge right?

It does still rankle of the whole 'doubling back' issue and letting squads fallback 'forever' which we agree I'm sure is stoopid. But thematically if bunch of guys were running away in fear shooting back to cover their arses - a giant teleportalthingy beaming them to a different point is perfectly legit - remember it's the squad breaking not the commanders decision to have them flee, so a giant get the frick back over here seems a fairly legit stratagem to combat "oh my god we're pussie ruuuuuuuuuunnnn!!!!!!"