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The orange orks boys multi-assaulted the teal black templar squad. There is an IC in there, and they hit the land raider too (to circle it).

My opponent and I had a disagreement about multiple combats and who attacks who. My understanding is based on the rule "Models engaged with more than one enemy unit when combat began (before anyone takes a swing) may split their attacks freely."

He pointed to the diagram below that rules where the space marines assault an ork unit and a gretchin unit. Argument ensued, because he said that the orange boys in base with the LR had to attack it, and the boys in base with the IC had to attack it, regardless of what else they might be engaged with.

Clarification anyone?

after much reading since our last game dash (no im not the person in question in the picture)


my understanding is, anything your in B2B w/ you may not choose a seperate target from even if your w/in 2'' of a model thats in b2b w/ something else you would much rather be swinging at. Now if 1 model is in B2B w/ 2 different targets you may choose which to swing at.

Dashofpepper wrote:He pointed to the diagram below that rules where the space marines assault an ork unit and a gretchin unit. Argument ensued, because he said that the orange boys in base with the LR had to attack it, and the boys in base with the IC had to attack it, regardless of what else they might be engaged with.

There are two separate things going on here.

Models can choose to attack any unit with which they are engaged.
Models in base contact have to attack the unit or units with which they are in base contact.

So a boy in contact with only the Land Raider or IC would have to attack that, regardless of what else is within 2".
Boyz in contact with both the Land Raider and a Marine, or the IC and a Marine, could choose which to attack.

Orks within 2" of a boy in btb with the Raider and also within 2" of a boy in btb with a marine (or within 2" of a boy in btb with both) could likewise choose which to attack.

Just an aside here, but aren't models in BtB with a vehicle (such as a LR) not locked in combat, and therefore eligible to 'be engaged' with enemy models attacking the rest of their squad, therefore allowing them to attack the enemy squad?

Just curious if that applies (like that) here.

Xca|iber wrote:Just an aside here, but aren't models in BtB with a vehicle (such as a LR) not locked in combat, and therefore eligible to 'be engaged' with enemy models attacking the rest of their squad, therefore allowing them to attack the enemy squad?

They're not locked, but they are still engaged with the vehicle. And if you're engaged with one enemy unit, that's the only unit you can attack.

Engaged...

But if the models are engaged with both the LR and the squad...can they attack either? IE - there's at least two boyz in base contact with only the Land Raider. But they are engaged with both the land Raider and the squad.

I guess I'm just confused a bit.

The orks assaulted the templars. I had never heard that any model in base to base with some other unit is free to just assault them as well. So basically if any 2 enemy units are close enough together, you can assault into one and attack the other two if you have some base to base with them?

I thought multiple combats only happened when one player sent multiple units of their own into one assault. Not that a player can have one unit take on multiple others.

I thought you could only make your assault move into one unit.

I very well may be wrong but if somebody could clarify this I'd apprecaite it.

morgendonner wrote:I guess I'm just confused a bit.

The orks assaulted the templars. I had never heard that any model in base to base with some other unit is free to just assault them as well. So basically if any 2 enemy units are close enough together, you can assault into one and attack the other two if you have some base to base with them?

I thought multiple combats only happened when one player sent multiple units of their own into one assault. Not that a player can have one unit take on multiple others.

I thought you could only make your assault move into one unit.

I very well may be wrong but if somebody could clarify this I'd apprecaite it.

Turn to page 41 of your rulebook and read on; that will answer your questions.

morgendonner wrote:
I thought multiple combats only happened when one player sent multiple units of their own into one assault. Not that a player can have one unit take on multiple others.

I thought you could only make your assault move into one unit.

I very well may be wrong but if somebody could clarify this I'd apprecaite it.

p34, Assaulting Multiple Enemy Units

Dashofpepper wrote:But if the models are engaged with both the LR and the squad...can they attack either? IE - there's at least two boyz in base contact with only the Land Raider. But they are engaged with both the land Raider and the squad.

To be honest, the rules are a little vague on exactly how the BtB thing works. The multiple combat rules simply state that you can attack any unit with which you are engaged. In which case models in btb with the LR but within 2" of a friendly model in btb with the squad would be able to assault the squad.

But the example at the bottom of the page says otherwise, pointing out that models in base contact can only assault the unit with which they are in contact.

So either the example is correct, and the rules simply gloss over the fact that for a multiple combat 'engaged' should read 'in base contact with'... or the example is wrong, and models can attack whichever units with which they are engaged.

Models BtB with a model must attack the unit that model belongs with. Models not in BtB may attack any unit that contains a model within 2" of a friendly model in BtB combat with it.

What program did you use for the creation of that picture?

The GW Main Rules FAQ did an erratta on this:

Errata
Page 41 – Multiple Combats, Attacking.
A third bullet point should be added, as follows:
• Models that at the beginning of the combat
(before any model attacked) were engaged with
more than one enemy unit, but were in base
contact with just one of the enemy units, must
attack that unit.

That's the one I thought I remembered, and couldn't find in the FAQ a minute a go...