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Do you get both your Inv save and Armor save? A friend of mine has some termies and stated that he should get both inv and armor save. I know some units have in their description "Get both Armor and Inv" but do things like termies get both. For that matter, do those units get both, or is it just deceptive wording?

Thanks in advance.

No. You only roll one saving throw. See page 24 of main rulebook.

Edit: More precisely, the unit has access to both an armor save and an invulnerable (and sometimes cover, depending on situation) save, but must pick the best one available to roll for each wound.

Does your friend also play Fantasy? IN WHFB, I believe you still get both regualr and Ward saves. But in 40K, you only get one, whether it's normal, cover or Invul.

don_mondo wrote:Does your friend also play Fantasy? IN WHFB, I believe you still get both regualr and Ward saves. But in 40K, you only get one, whether it's normal, cover or Invul.

Wait...I thought the main rule book said that units got cover saves and armor saves...

In a sense, a unit can have all three, but they have too choose one before saving.

They can have access to both, but when it comes time to roll, they have to pick one. I recommend the "Models with more than one save" section on page 24 for your reading pleasure. Especially the last sentence of the first paragraph.

Nope. You only get one saving throw.

Wow...thanks guys...this just changed a lot of stuff....

It seems worth noting that you must pick the best of the saves available.

And you must always attempt a save if you have one, you cannot decide to not take a save.

Gwar! wrote:And you must always attempt a save if you have one, you cannot decide to not take a save.

For whatever reason you would have to do that.

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:And you must always attempt a save if you have one, you cannot decide to not take a save.

For whatever reason you would have to do that.

Do you mean "Why would I not want to take my saves?"

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:And you must always attempt a save if you have one, you cannot decide to not take a save.

For whatever reason you would have to do that.

Do you mean "Why would I not want to take my saves?"

Yep.

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Do you mean "Why would I not want to take my saves?"

Yep.

Say I have a unit of Guardsman who were just assaulted by Uberkillyunit #345 and said unit does 10 Wounds. I would love to say "Right, all die now!" as it means my Uberkillytanks get to fire their Uberkillyplasmacannonsofdeath at you next turn. However, I can't, I have to take my saves, some survive, I pass my morale test, much to my chagrin and my Uberkillyplasmacannonsofdeath stay silent. Then in that assault phase, you kill the rest, consolidate, then in your turn move another 12" and assault something else.

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Do you mean "Why would I not want to take my saves?"

Yep.

Say I have a unit of Guardsman who were just assaulted by Uberkillyunit #345 and said unit does 10 Wounds. I would love to say "Right, all die now!" as it means my Uberkillytanks get to fire their Uberkillyplasmacannonsofdeath at you next turn. However, I can't, I have to take my saves, some survive, I pass my morale test, much to my chagrin and my Uberkillyplasmacannonsofdeath stay silent. Then in that assault phase, you kill the rest, consolidate, then in your turn move another 12" and assault something else.

My regular opponent would just love to do something like that.