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Genestealers have rending claws. I can give them toxin sacs to wound on a 4+. Does rolling 6s on my poison attacks still rend and if so, do rerolled poison wounds due to S >/= T also trigger rending? It's a roll to wound and rending triggers on a 6 to wound so I believe so, but it was called into question by someone else recently.

Rending is on roll to hit, so poison will have NO effect on them.

Huh?

No, rending is on the to-wound roll......since 5th edition.

Any roll of a natural 6 to wound will cause a rend. Giving them toxin sacs measn that they never need worse that a 4+ to wound and you reroll if you have S=> than T. If you choose to reroll then any natural roll of a 6 will also rend.

I've been playing that rending is to hit....hold on, let me get my BGB.

And that is correct, Klawz. It isn't what you wrote though....

Steelmage99 wrote:And that is correct, Klawz. It isn't what you wrote though....

Mistype. Also, my BGB is in my Dads car. But I remember checking in the BGB before, and seeing it was to hit...?

Klawz wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:And that is correct, Klawz. It isn't what you wrote though....

Mistype. Also, my BGB is in my Dads car. But I remember checking in the BGB before, and seeing it was to hit...?

Not since 5th edition came out.

Janthkin wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:And that is correct, Klawz. It isn't what you wrote though....

Mistype. Also, my BGB is in my Dads car. But I remember checking in the BGB before, and seeing it was to hit...?

Not since 5th edition came out.

But I never played before 5th! I haven't even looked at those rulebooks!

Klawz wrote:

Janthkin wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:And that is correct, Klawz. It isn't what you wrote though....

Mistype. Also, my BGB is in my Dads car. But I remember checking in the BGB before, and seeing it was to hit...?

Not since 5th edition came out.

But I never played before 5th! I haven't even looked at those rulebooks!

Then you're misremembering. Rending applies to to-wound rolls (and armor penetration rolls), never on to-hit rolls.

Klawz wrote:

Janthkin wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:And that is correct, Klawz. It isn't what you wrote though....

Mistype. Also, my BGB is in my Dads car. But I remember checking in the BGB before, and seeing it was to hit...?

Not since 5th edition came out.

But I never played before 5th! I haven't even looked at those rulebooks!

Then you've just been playing the rule incorrectly - it really, really IS on the to wound / to armour penetrate roll.

Toxins sacks have no effect whatsoever on your ability or otherwise to rend. If you can rend, you can still rend.

It even stacks in a very good way. Statistically, you will rend a little more often if you have toxin sacs.

1/6 with a reroll for the 1/2 a time you reroll, not bad.

Yes. Tyranid Biomorphs are written is such a way that the model benefits from all Close Combat ones it may have. A model with 2 Scything Talons, Poison Sacs and Rending Claws re-rolls to hit, wounds on a 4+ and rends

Cool, thanks for the clarification. I just couldn't nail down in my head how it worked.

Gwar! wrote:Yes. Tyranid Biomorphs are written is such a way that the model benefits from all Close Combat ones it may have. A model with 2 Scything Talons, Poison Sacs and Rending Claws re-rolls to hit, wounds on a 4+ and rends

Can you take 2x scytals?

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Yes. Tyranid Biomorphs are written is such a way that the model benefits from all Close Combat ones it may have. A model with 2 Scything Talons, Poison Sacs and Rending Claws re-rolls to hit, wounds on a 4+ and rends

Can you take 2x scytals?

It depends on the model

Can ou take scything tale AND rending?

Nenya97 wrote:Can ou take scything tale AND rending?

Yes, of course!

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Yes. Tyranid Biomorphs are written is such a way that the model benefits from all Close Combat ones it may have. A model with 2 Scything Talons, Poison Sacs and Rending Claws re-rolls to hit, wounds on a 4+ and rends

Can you take 2x scytals?

It depends on the model

Correction, can genestealers take 2x scytals?

Klawz wrote:Correction, can genestealers take 2x scytals?

That's answered in the codex.

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:Correction, can genestealers take 2x scytals?

That's answered in the codex.

And it says the entire brood may take scytals. But in your example, you have them re-rolling all to hit, which can only be done with 2 pairs of scytals.

Gwar! was talking about the excellent reroll/rend synergy on tyranids in general, not necessarily just stealers. That's Gwar! as written (GAW). I have no idea what GAI is.

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:Correction, can genestealers take 2x scytals?

That's answered in the codex.

And it says the entire brood may take scytals. But in your example, you have them re-rolling all to hit, which can only be done with 2 pairs of scytals.

My example was about Nids in General, not Stealers

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:Correction, can genestealers take 2x scytals?

That's answered in the codex.

And it says the entire brood may take scytals. But in your example, you have them re-rolling all to hit, which can only be done with 2 pairs of scytals.

My example was about Nids in General, not Stealers

But still, how would you have 2 pairs of scytals and rending? The only unit who could do that are genestealers, and they can't take 2 pairs of syctals.

Klawz wrote:But still, how would you have 2 pairs of scytals and rending? The only unit who could do that are genestealers, and they can't take 2 pairs of syctals.

It was an arbitrary selection of a combination of upgrades and a demonstration that they may all work together, he was not suggesting any unit CAN do it, just saying, if a unit had all of those biomorphs, it would benefit from all of them simultaneously.

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Klawz wrote:Correction, can genestealers take 2x scytals?

That's answered in the codex.

And it says the entire brood may take scytals. But in your example, you have them re-rolling all to hit, which can only be done with 2 pairs of scytals.

My example was about Nids in General, not Stealers

But still, how would you have 2 pairs of scytals and rending? The only unit who could do that are genestealers, and they can't take 2 pairs of syctals.

You can't have double tals and rending. You can have single tals+rending. Alternatively you can have a psychic power give them preferred enemy and have rending also.

Genies with tals, and sacs + preferred enemy vs T4 enemies or lower = welcome to rendsville

It was a thought experiment. Tyranids have only 6 limbs, and thus you can only take 2 pairs of armed limbs (using the final pair for movement). It is illegal for you to, therefore, have 2 pairs of scytals and rending claws.


HOWEVER, for the purposes of the rules, if there were to be a Tyranid creature with the option of taking 3 sets of weapons, they would all stack without interfering with each other. They were designed specifically to do this.


It's just like the Swarmlord thread in Tactics where somebody suggested 60 boyz. It's physically impossible to fit 60 boyz in a close combat with a single model, but that is how many you would theoretically need to do a desired amount of damage.