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Im a bit tierd so Ill go strait to the point:

What do you think is the best wargear options for a Chaos Lord? Are Deamon weapons worth the cost? Terminator or not?
Which is the most useful combination?

Chaos Lords aren't widely considered to be competitive anymore, but I still like to run my Slaanesh Lord with a Daemon Weapon and Power Armor from time to time in order to own up on my friend's Tyranid army. He likes his monstrous creatures and Tyranid Warriors, and without doubt the Slaanesh Lord can mop them up. Unless you roll a one. Then you're done.

Lords IMO opinion in general are blah. I could use a DP with wings for 130pts. that could do more damage than a chaos lord that can be offed in one hit with a PF. But if i had to choose i would say a tzeentch lord with DW.

I think a lord should be taken if you either already have or don't want another psyker HQ, you want something that can "hide" with a friendly unit(MC DPs have a hard time getting away from LoS/etc), and you want either a slaanesh/nurgle/khorne mark and daemon weapon. If you don't need those things you are probably better off with a sorcerer or DP as your HQ.

As far as wargear choices go the daemon weapon is really what the lord has going for him. Other than that I would match his gear to whatever unit you will join him with and whatever role you want him for. When and if I use my lord I put him in a squad of raptors with wings , slaanesh/nurgle daemon weapon(obv this includes a mark of slaanesh/nurgle), and that's about it for upgrades to keep him fairly cheap but effective. The more points you spend on a lord the more you should have taken the sorc/dp/independent characters (kharn is an especially good replacement for a lord for the points but obv can't take wings).

IMO in the future hopefully they will be a lot cheaper to start than either the DP or the sorc due to their lack of psyker abilities (a major difference) and the amount of points required to get the daemon weapon. Either that or they should start with your choice of mark + daemon weapon for the same points as now.



Hope this helps, if you have any specific questions about wargear let us know.

Mark if any + Claws.
or
Mark if any + Daemon Weapon.

Wings if you have any left over points or if he joins Raptors.

What he brings is combat muscle that does not rely on a leadership test.
It's not flashy, but it's somewhat of a simple application model.

You can compliment or suppliment your squads, but he's best joined with Cult troops IMO so you don't have to screw up squad sizes of CSMs in their rhinos.

Undivided and daemon weapon with wings. fits in a rhino and can fly off to hit the back of a squad away from the PF. you can roll a one but thats the nature of chaos.

You are suggesting that he breaks off by himself to fly behind a squad...and then have another squad in addition to the lord to charge the enemy squad right?

So yea, all you really need to do is get a model into base to base with the fist model.
If you can't do that with the joe CSM squad, then it really doesn't matter where the lord charges into the squad...
In addition, in the event you kill all of the said squad, the lord is exposed and the most he can hope for is a cover save, as he can't join a squad again.

If I *had* to take one it'd be Mark of Slaanesh and dual Claws. Keep him as cheap as possible.

Otherwise I'd rather have Kharn since he can murder anything, including other Chaos Lords, for a very economical price.

I know Lord arent that competative but I think they are so cool and offer so many conversation opportuneties that Im gonna include one anyway

Im still wondering which mark would be best for a DW... Any tips?

Daemon weapon with mark of Khorne is the best! You should definitely use it.

Gives you an average 12 attacks on the charge! With no Armour saves of course

Unless you want to take the risk of doing nothing and wounding your lord IIRC 33% of the time then yes put him with MoK and DW. I will admit he does some pretty good damage if he rolls good BUT the risk i think is too great of doing nothing and hurting yourself. I like MoT better for a 4+inv. save and he can shoot his daemon weapon instead of being i HtH. Since when can you put a lord with wings into a rhino?

Vindicator#9 wrote:Since when can you put a lord with wings into a rhino?

The wings allow him to move like jump infantry, not count as jump infantry. So unless he has term armor he should be allowed to ride in one. If he was using a jumppack it would be different and he would be jump infantry.

Vindicator#9 wrote:Unless you want to take the risk of doing nothing and wounding your lord IIRC 33% of the time then yes put him with MoK and DW. I will admit he does some pretty good damage if he rolls good BUT the risk i think is too great of doing nothing and hurting yourself.

This. One semi-regular opponent experienced with this combo. On a Good Day(tm) the Chaos Lord screamed "Blood for the Blood God!!" and swept all before him. On a Bad Day(tm) even regular Guard troopers took HIS skull for the Skull Throne . Truly Khorne is a fickle master.

He changed his HQ to a Daemon Prince. Wonder why...

The Acolyte wrote:Daemon weapon with mark of Khorne is the best! You should definitely use it.

Gives you an average 12 attacks on the charge! With no Armour saves of course

Calculation error. 30.6% chance(almost 1/3) to hurt himself. With no Armour saves of course. You conceal that situation.

That situation could be treated as .... -4 attacks. (He would wound a lord once when he attack 4 times, right?)

The average anticipated attacks...about 7.1

Kharn would be better. Even a K-Lord with claws(6 attacks on charge, reroll to-wound) is better than him.

I'm a big fan of undivided lords on a bike. T4(5), still get a 5+ invul so terminator armour's kind of pointless, and his attacks are S5. Nurgle isn't bad either. You'd be T4(6), and only S4 but you'll wound anything higher than T4 on a 4+ still and if they're T4 or less you get a re-roll, so that's pretty darn good.

Plus you can give the lord a combi-plasmagun as well and since they're on a bike, they can double-tap the plasmagun and still charge afterwards. It's pretty nasty.

Is there no doubts he fits in a Rhino no matter wings or not? That K-lord with claws seems good, i don't like the odds for Khorne DW although its very powerful.

tokugawa wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:Daemon weapon with mark of Khorne is the best! You should definitely use it.

Gives you an average 12 attacks on the charge! With no Armour saves of course

Calculation error. 30.6% chance(almost 1/3) to hurt himself. With no Armour saves of course. You conceal that situation.

That situation could be treated as .... -4 attacks. (He would wound a lord once when he attack 4 times, right?)

The average anticipated attacks...about 7.1

Kharn would be better. Even a K-Lord with claws(6 attacks on charge, reroll to-wound) is better than him.

I thought it was 4 attacks add 2D6. The 2D6 average at 7. 7+4 = 11. I admit 12 was a bit too high (sorry for that) but it is definitely better than 7.1!?!

Vindicator#9 wrote:I like MoT better for a 4+inv. save and he can shoot his daemon weapon instead of being i HtH.

But if you shoot the Deathscreamer and then assault, you have exactly the same chance of rolling at least one 1, and hurting yourself, as a lord with a Bloodfeeder does. Granted, you have a better save.

I was just saying for DW i like him best. You bring up a good point though. I have never had this happen with him as i usually keep him as more of a ranged lord for the simple fact that he can do the same amount of damage from range then him being in HtH. The weapon is still S4 with AP3 so the only thing he doesnt bring down is termies or equivilants.

Vindicator#9 wrote:I was just saying for DW i like him best. You bring up a good point though. I have never had this happen with him as i usually keep him as more of a ranged lord for the simple fact that he can do the same amount of damage from range then him being in HtH. The weapon is still S4 with AP3 so the only thing he doesnt bring down is termies or equivilants.

Well, it's not quite the same amount, because the Chaos Lord gets 3+d6 attacks in combat (4 when charging) as opposed to just d6 firing the Deathscreamer. But I see your point.

To my mind, however, holding your Chaos Lord out of combat is wasting his greatest strength; he's a close-combat monster. WS6 and I5 make him capable of killing a lot of scary things before they even get to strike back.

Me, when I play my CSM, I usually take either a Slaaneshi Lord with Blissgiver to hunt ICs and multi-wound elites, or a Nurgle Lord with Plaguebringer to slaughter MEQs. The Blissgiver Lord will usually strike first, so against characters or multi-wound models he often IDs them before they get to strike back. The Plaguebringer Lord absolutely murders pretty much any Troops unit in the game with re-rolling PW wounds, and with T4(5) he's damn hard to kill.

The Acolyte wrote:

tokugawa wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:Daemon weapon with mark of Khorne is the best! You should definitely use it.

Gives you an average 12 attacks on the charge! With no Armour saves of course

Calculation error. 30.6% chance(almost 1/3) to hurt himself. With no Armour saves of course. You conceal that situation.

That situation could be treated as .... -4 attacks. (He would wound a lord once when he attack 4 times, right?)

The average anticipated attacks...about 7.1

Kharn would be better. Even a K-Lord with claws(6 attacks on charge, reroll to-wound) is better than him.

I thought it was 4 attacks add 2D6. The 2D6 average at 7. 7+4 = 11. I admit 12 was a bit too high (sorry for that) but it is definitely better than 7.1!?!

The 7.1 takes into account the chance to get no attacks at all.

A Chaos Lord of Tzeentch with a Deathscream and mounted on a Disc of Tzeentch gives him as many shots/attacks as a Chaos Lord of Chaos with a Jump Pack, with a better saving throw, and the opportunity to shoot stuff as he comes in.

I like the Ol' Nurgle lord with wings and Daemonweap and Khorne with lightning claws for my average lord. Nice little peices of muscle. Another (less serious) lord i like is a Khorne lord with a powerfist- 125 points for some nasty muscle in a LR with bezerkers, and a cheap (for CSM) yet punchy HQ