Why CSM are now a Second Tier Army

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**olympia**

This thread is rubbish. Let's look at some recent results:
2009 Dutch GT 1750 points: CSM Lash/Abaddon 1st place
2009 Irish GT 1750 points: CSM Lash/Abaddon 1st place
2010 UK Throne of Skulls 1500 points: CSM Dual Lash 1st, 2nd, 6th place

Except for three at the Irish GT (and perhaps the Dutch GT) these were all standard mission, NO SOFTSCORE tournaments.

**olympia**

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:I believe that the current CSM Codex is abit outdated with all the new SM Codex ( Space Wolves and Blood Angel) have better opinions, that could nellified all PYSC powers that CSM can throw. Another thing that CSM does not have is a good Fast Attack Slot at all. I had to really switch the way i play and even had to bring back my Dark Eldar Army out of the closet, just to stay competitive. I really believe that CSM should either break the current Codex and made each chapter to their own Codex, or GW should bring back 4th edition CSM.

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olympia wrote:This thread is rubbish. Let's look at some recent results:
2009 Dutch GT 1750 points: CSM Lash/Abaddon 1st place
2009 Irish GT 1750 points: CSM Lash/Abaddon 1st place
2010 UK Throne of Skulls 1500 points: CSM Dual Lash 1st, 2nd, 6th place

Except for three at the Irish GT (and perhaps the Dutch GT) these were all standard mission, NO SOFTSCORE tournaments.

The funny thing is that all the winners are from Europe and not from the States. I do agree that CSM can place in a touranment maybe last year, but the this year CSM really haven't place in the top 10. CSM needs a major overhaul.

This is because the vast majority of U.S. tournament are softcoring affairs. When the majority of large tournaments in the U.S. are free of softscores then feel free to lecture about which codices are or are not competitive.

**olympia**

40kenthusiast wrote:
That's just the way the record stands now though. Anti-CSM, Adepticon is in 6 days. Let's see the strength of whatever you think the top tier is. You think there's been a sea change, prove it.

Is Adepticon a softscoring 'hobbyist' tournament? Is there comp?

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Just looked at the rules for Adepticon--39% soft scores! At least no com, although given that sports is judged by your opponent you risk being chipmunked on this if you bring two lash.

**olympia**

In the new meta single lash is the way to go. I'd say lash prince + abaddon is the ticket. Won't Abaddon deal with all the new nids easily? I think the swarmlord could take him but that is what the single lash prince is for.