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Oh cmon! Hes GREAT to listen to. I dunno what that sentence has to do with his credibility. I watch his show sometimes for a laugh, and he does make a valid point from time to time.
This still dosn't beat his rant and the big Tea party Hooha, when He "Learned about Taxs" by going to the library, because the library is free, and everybody can use it. The library is run by taxes of course
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Obermann laughs at himself all the time, and even admits he is wrong (Beck does too) There was a thread on her where Jon stewart ragged him for getting a little over the top, and he put on silly rant and then said, you're right sorry about that.
BTW He doesn't make us Democrats crazy, it's more of a feeling of pity, his so angry he goes stark raving mad,and sadness somebody can be so wrong on core facts, like how a core service works.
Besides he is the one barking at a tv camra. I think Democrats are the ones that make him crazy or "rabid"
Sara doesn't make us crazy, she is just easy for us to score political points off of. She is kinda like a republican AL Sharpton.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
Glen Beck wrote:
"Communists are on the left, and the Nazis are on the right. That's what people say. But they both subscribe to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. . . . But on each banner, read the words, here in America: 'social justice.' They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy."
So, wait, am I to infer from this quote that anyone who discusses democracy must be either a fascist, or a communist?
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
East Germany, post WW2. Became a soviet satellite, put up the Berlin Wall.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
I always thought of that as being Opressed/taken over by Communists. Seeing as the wall had to keep them from leaving.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
The Green Git wrote:I like Beck if for no other reason than he makes the Left crazy. The only other person that seems to make Liberals more rabid is Sarah Palin.
Giving a politician credit because you think he makes someone else angry is grade school stuff, and it’s a shame that level of political dialogue is accepted anywhere.
Palin and Beck get quoted a lot because they’re easy targets, and it’s a simple way to discredit the whole of the right wing. I think it’s pretty poor form that the left tries to make them out to be representative of the right wing as a whole, when they’re just the new generation models of Lyndon Larouche.
You should be moving to distance yourself from them as quickly as possible, for your own political viability and more importantly to preserve the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism. But you don’t, because Beck rates and Palin sells books, and all that matters is how popular the party is right now.
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sexiest_hero wrote:The Gemans were Communists?
Actually, communism was a major factor in German politics before the war. Fascism was a reaction against communism, and the Nazi party staked its early place in the political scene by engaging in nightly streetfights with the communists.
The key moment in the Nazis turning from being just the dominant political party to bringing the state under party control was the Reichstag fire. This was blamed on a communist, used to condemn communism as a whole and justify sweeping new powers for government to stop any future acts of terrorism.
Being irrationally afraid of communism has its dangers.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sexiest_hero wrote:I always thought of that as being Opressed/taken over by Communists. Seeing as the wall had to keep them from leaving.
True. "Half of Germany became Communist" would probably have been a better way of putting it (although I'm sure some followed the ideology, of course).
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
The Green Git wrote:I like Beck if for no other reason than he makes the Left crazy. The only other person that seems to make Liberals more rabid is Sarah Palin.
Giving a politician credit because you think he makes someone else angry is grade school stuff, and it’s a shame that level of political dialogue is accepted anywhere.
Palin and Beck get quoted a lot because they’re easy targets, and it’s a simple way to discredit the whole of the right wing. I think it’s pretty poor form that the left tries to make them out to be representative of the right wing as a whole, when they’re just the new generation models of Lyndon Larouche.
You should be moving to distance yourself from them as quickly as possible, for your own political viability and more importantly to preserve the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism. But you don’t, because Beck rates and Palin sells books, and all that matters is how popular the party is right now.
As sensible it is to advise others to distance themselves from the conservatives Palin and Beck, people are drawn to them because they represent something new that the right has needed in a long time-
Celebrities.
Americans celebrate the larger than life story of celebrities, whether they are athletes, underdogs, champions, ect. People were drawn to Obama because he represented a new face and a new color to the political spectrum that is sorely lacking. He's also young, magnetic, and strong in many ways (think Tiger Woods before the sex scandal).
After Obama, the right sought their champion(s). Hannity and Limbaugh are old news. While they have staunch, strong supporters, nothing has electrified the Conservative base like Beck and Palin have. Hannity tried to raise Joe the Plumber as the new face of conservatism (and fear/concerns about leftist agendas) but that person wasn't magnetic enough to rise to the challenge. Enter the old man McCain with his ace in the hole Palin and BAM; we have the representative of the right that strikes a polar opposite to Obama in terms of what she represents.
Beck on the other hand combines equal parts madness and shock jock with enough common sense and sincere facial gestures to mesmerize those around him. When I first listened to him, I thought he was the radio equivalent to the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. The more I listened to Beck, the more I realized that he was not a passive participant in news and political agendas. He has that ability to draw others to him and take up a cause. Hence the Tea Partiers.
He and Palin represent what Conservatives unfortunately need now: faces and ideas to attach to their cause.
In all fairness, Palin is the lesser threat, as her antics are not borderline insanity. She has taken a calculated risk to do what she does while Beck flails around like a madman looking for ratings and approval.
sebster wrote:Actually, communism was a major factor in German politics before the war. Fascism was a reaction against communism, and the Nazi party staked its early place in the political scene by engaging in nightly streetfights with the communists.
The key moment in the Nazis turning from being just the dominant political party to bringing the state under party control was the Reichstag fire. This was blamed on a communist, used to condemn communism as a whole and justify sweeping new powers for government to stop any future acts of terrorism.
Being irrationally afraid of communism has its dangers.
Banning Germany's Communist Party (and removing its members from office) was also crucial to passing the Enabling Act, which essentially made Hitler dictator.
Of course, the communists often used the fear of fascism to solidify their own support in other places, so it worked both ways.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
sebster wrote:...preserve the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism.
The people who seriously question the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism are the very same people who fill the ranks of the Tea Party. Neoconservatism, with its Machiavellian attitude towards the electorate, did more to damage the relationship between conservative thinkers and conservative voters than many people know.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
The Green Git wrote:I like Beck if for no other reason than he makes the Left crazy. The only other person that seems to make Liberals more rabid is Sarah Palin.
Beck laughs at himself, unlike that pompous self important blowhard Obermann.
And here I thought you liked him because you believe and agree with everything he says.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
sebster wrote:...preserve the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism.
The people who seriously question the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism are the very same people who fill the ranks of the Tea Party. Neoconservatism, with its Machiavellian attitude towards the electorate, did more to damage the relationship between conservative thinkers and conservative voters than many people know.
Huh?
Let me simpla-ma-fy your speechifications.
People who no like smarty pantz talk enjoy tea parties. Neo-cons no like regular people, and made smarty pantz and hee-haws no like one another.
Depends on what you consider "intellectual conservatism." The Heritage Foundation and many Protestant, righ wing religious organizations comprised the "think tank" of the Bush years and still hold some influence. Today's intellectual debate is being channeled through Glenn Beck, who makes the argument sound like something Eric Cartman would concoct. At the very least when Limbaugh and Hannity expoused the right's views, it sounded well thought out and researched. Beck makes any intellectual exercise a mockery. Beck makes it look like something from this show here:
That is the current format of "intellectual conservatism."
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WarOne wrote:Beck on the other hand combines equal parts madness and shock jock with enough common sense and sincere facial gestures to mesmerize those around him. When I first listened to him, I thought he was the radio equivalent to the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. The more I listened to Beck, the more I realized that he was not a passive participant in news and political agendas. He has that ability to draw others to him and take up a cause. Hence the Tea Partiers.
He’s certainly inventing his own narrative and attempting to influence politics according to it. While plenty of shock jocks have attempted the same, Beck’s efforts at rallying, culminating in FOX news all but openly sponsoring Tea Party rallies seems a significant beyond any of those who’ve come before.
Perhaps in the long run Beck’s stand out feature won’t be his goofball politics, but his synthesis of politics and entertainment.
I agree with you that Palin is not that great a threat. Above all else, her spat with Letterman and attacking Rahm Emanuel for saying ‘slowed’ demonstrate she’s quite a poor politician.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Banning Germany's Communist Party (and removing its members from office) was also crucial to passing the Enabling Act, which essentially made Hitler dictator.
Of course, the communists often used the fear of fascism to solidify their own support in other places, so it worked both ways.
Yeah, the Communist Party of Australia to this day celebrates the triumph over Fascist Germany, as if that makes up for everything else the Soviets did.
dogma wrote:The people who seriously question the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism are the very same people who fill the ranks of the Tea Party. Neoconservatism, with its Machiavellian attitude towards the electorate, did more to damage the relationship between conservative thinkers and conservative voters than many people know.
I agree that the failings of neo-conservatism have led to the rise of the Tea Partiers. To be honest, I think the Tea Party movement can be more less summed up as conservatives who don’t like Obama’s policies, but won’t settle for just supporting the Republicans, given the history of the last administration.
I’m not sure that extends to Tea Partiers questioning the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism. They might be critical of the intellectuals who make up part of the leadership of the GOP, but movement conservatism has always had a strong anti-intellectual element. Despite that, it hasn’t always been devoid of intellectual legitimacy.
There’s an important place in the political scene for conservative politics, and in the wake of the Bush administration I think there was a need to really re-examine exactly what conservative politics stood for. Instead we got claims about death panels and muppets like Beck calling people communists.
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WarOne wrote:At the very least when Limbaugh and Hannity expoused the right's views, it sounded well thought out and researched. Beck makes any intellectual exercise a mockery. Beck makes it look like something from this show here
I’ve heard it argued that wingnuts like Hannity played an important part in the conservative message machine, they were so crazy they made guys like O’Reilly sound somewhat moderate.
We appear to have moved one step further along, so that Hannity is now appearing reasonable because he’s compared to Beck.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
WarOne wrote:
Depends on what you consider "intellectual conservatism." The Heritage Foundation and many Protestant, righ wing religious organizations comprised the "think tank" of the Bush years and still hold some influence.
Once a year I dutifully gather all the materials the Heritage Foundation deems fit to send my way, and ritualistically burn them. Thirty years ago they produced sound, well-reasoned analysis. It pains me to see what they've become.
WarOne wrote:
Today's intellectual debate is being channeled through Glenn Beck, who makes the argument sound like something Eric Cartman would concoct. At the very least when Limbaugh and Hannity expoused the right's views, it sounded well thought out and researched. Beck makes any intellectual exercise a mockery. Beck makes it look like something from this show here:
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That is the current format of "intellectual conservatism."
Beck isn't an intellectual, nor does he represent intellectual conservatism. Beck is a populist, and populism is generally very close to anti-intellectualism. It certainly fits the bill in its current incarnation.
What is intellectual conservatism? Hard to say. Neoconservatism remains the dominant voice on foreign policy; having effectively absorbed Neoliberalism. And obviously monetarist thought holds sway over economics; despite Greenspan's foibles. In terms of social policy there isn't a whole lot being written as the people who work in the humanities tend to be more liberal than most; the closest thing you'll find to conservative intellectualism with respect to social policy lies in the word of ministers like Rick Warren.
So conservative intellectualism is still a thoughtful force. It simply isn't a thoughtful force which touches on the semantic concerns of conservative voters; partially due to a sense of betrayal resulting in deliberate opposition, and partially as the result of a worldview derived from sensibility rather than sense.
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sebster wrote:
I’m not sure that extends to Tea Partiers questioning the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism. They might be critical of the intellectuals who make up part of the leadership of the GOP, but movement conservatism has always had a strong anti-intellectual element. Despite that, it hasn’t always been devoid of intellectual legitimacy.
I should clarify. I didn't mean to indicate that the Tea Party denies the legitimacy of intellectual conservatism as a concept. Only that they have no fondness for the current crop of conservative intellectuals; basically pushing it out of the public debate. There is, of course, quite the lively exchange within the academic community pertaining to the nature of conservative intellectualism. Christopher Buckley has been quite active in that regard.
I'll be interested to see if the Tea Party is able to adsorb intellectual notions into its modus operandi.
sebster wrote:
There’s an important place in the political scene for conservative politics, and in the wake of the Bush administration I think there was a need to really re-examine exactly what conservative politics stood for. Instead we got claims about death panels and muppets like Beck calling people communists.
The same thing needed to happen with respect to liberal politics. Instead we got Pelosi and Reid. Maybe someone will decided to read a little Marcuse, and put on the daddy pants.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Really I don't see what the lefties are afraid of. I forced myself to watch abotu 15 minutes. He was commenting ona union president. The union president was clearly scum but his commentary was so bad I was liking the scum better. Seriously, he's a joke. He's not even funny, just derp de derp!.
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WarOne wrote:Well, let's see.
Adolf Hitler used democracy, intimidation, murder, populism, eugenics, fist shaking, and shouting on his fascist path.
Maybe Glenn Beck is on to something...democracy was the first step...and then half the Germans became Communists by 1946.
Thats just stupid. Everyone knows Chavez is where its at.
Venezuela, land of Venezuelans
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
They haven't. People who think they have (seriously) have their own paranoia issues to work through or don't like someone lampooning them just like the vomitous filth coming out of Huffington/Move On.
Any relevant issues he grabs and goes with. Just like Olbermann and the suckfest that is NBC, its best either ignored, or the rigorous application of point finger and laugh works equally well.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The title of this thread might as well be, "Proof that birds have feathers."
In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer
The Green Git wrote:I like Beck if for no other reason than he makes the Left crazy. The only other person that seems to make Liberals more rabid is Sarah Palin.
Giving a politician credit because you think he makes someone else angry is grade school stuff, and it’s a shame that level of political dialogue is accepted anywhere.
Good thing Beck isn't a politician. He's a political commentator who has an opinion show. I know it's hard to keep up with these small things we call "facts" but do try.
If this was a political dialogue we'd be talking about our elected representatives, term limits, current legislation, stuff like that. But we're talking about commentators and private citizens here.
sebster wrote:Palin and Beck get quoted a lot because they’re easy targets, and it’s a simple way to discredit the whole of the right wing.
You know, I used to think Beck was a circus act. But then I actually listened to him and started to hear talk about the US Constitution, preserving our economy through thrift and saving, limiting the infringement of our God given rights, and criticizing Republicans and Democrats alike. It is quite refreshing actually.
Of course I still think he's a buffoon on camera. He does have ratings to keep up, after all. Like any good satirist he goes to ludicrous extremes to make a point and to a large degree it's effective. Of course it gives critics a lot of ammunition and sound bites. In a way I like this because in writing Beck off as a rubber room candidate the Liberals miss the greater threat he poses. Beck spurs people to become interested in foundational issues like history and law that they would otherwise not delve into.
I still think Beck is a circus act, but now I think it's a circus act to get you in the door and deliver the message.
sebster wrote:But you don’t, because Beck rates and Palin sells books, and all that matters is how popular the party is right now.
Statements like this tell me you don't have a clue what Beck is peddling nowadays. What I've heard is not "Republicans are good, Democrats are bad" but "The entire system needs to be overhauled. The Federal Government is a bloated monster that has gotten out of control". I am hard pressed to disagree with him on this point.
The Green Git wrote:
If this was a political dialogue we'd be talking about our elected representatives, term limits, current legislation, stuff like that. But we're talking about commentators and private citizens here.
Political dialogue isn't limited to elected officials. Private citizens also make political statements, take political action, and hold political views.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
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