Nork Dedogg and the Unwavering Loyalty rule discrepancy

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**Dogface 76**

Nork Dedogg's rules have a problem. It says that if the Company Commander is shot by a Commissar that Nork will immediately turn and kill the Commisar in retaliation. Easy enough.....but CCS squads cannot take Commissars....they are not in the options...so what is the point of the Nork's loyalty rule if it does not apply to anything...

Can Commissars from the PCS shoot the CCS commander if he fails a Leadership roll?

**Regwon**

Its if you have a Lord Commisar joined to a CCS

**Gwar!**

Dogface 76 wrote:Nork Dedogg's rules have a problem. It says that if the Company Commander is shot by a Commissar that Nork will immediately turn and kill the Commisar in retaliation. Easy enough.....but CCS squads cannot take Commissars....they are not in the options...so what is the point of the Nork's loyalty rule if it does not apply to anything...

Can Commissars from the PCS shoot the CCS commander if he fails a Leadership roll?

Lord Commissars are IC's and have the Summary Execution rule/

**Dogface 76**

Ok, Seems like a bit of rule overkill....two more reasons for not taking the Lord Commissar or Nork Dedogg......

Any ideas why no regular Commissars in the CCS squads?

thanks!

**Gwar!**

Dogface 76 wrote:Ok, Seems like a bit of rule overkill....two more reasons for not taking the Lord Commissar or Nork Dedogg......

Any ideas why no regular Commissars in the CCS squads?

thanks!

Rules Balance?

**TheTrueProtoman**

They probably idiot proofed the CCS so that people wouldn't put a model that would cripple your army in with them. All I know is that I keep my commissars very far away from the important people, I just feed them sergeants. The commissars haven't complained yet.

**willydstyle**

It's not so much a reason not to take a lord commissar (though putting them in your CCS is not the best use of the model, for sure) but it's just another reason not to take Nork. He's the most useless expenditure of points outside of Spawn.

**TheTrueProtoman**

Thought the fluff surrounding nork is awesome he is so damn expensive for hardly doing anything! Really sometimes I wonder why they do this, making certain things that expensive when they know they cannot make up their points worth.

It's as if you were to ask for a transport, and instead of giving you something reliable they just hand you half an ork head and say hey for triple the price of a normal rhino this one won't get you anywhere!

**Volkov**

but it's just another reason not to take Nork. He's the most useless expenditure of points outside of Spawn.

I used him in a game once. Just to see if he might be good. Some units you right off on paper but turn out to be good in the game, looking at you griffon, but no Nork failed miserably. And my CCS was even assaulted too so it was the time when Nork should have shined. The fact you cannot take advantage of his t5 is what breaks the deal for me. If you could allocate the first hit to him and one from your commander to him and have to roll to wound on his t5 , then I might consider him. But no you can't, so no I don't

**willydstyle**

TheTrueProtoman wrote:Thought the fluff surrounding nork is awesome he is so damn expensive for hardly doing anything! Really sometimes I wonder why they do this, making certain things that expensive when they know they cannot make up their points worth.

It's as if you were to ask for a transport, and instead of giving you something reliable they just hand you half an ork head and say hey for triple the price of a normal rhino this one won't get you anywhere!

Yup, he's more expensive than a unit of ogryn, and his stats aren't even that much more impressive than a single ogryn, and as Volkov noted you don't even get to take advantage of his high toughness.