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As gw as said.. They would like for everyone to be on the same page of 5th ed before moving on. Everyone getting a 5th ed codex before moving on. Which I think is a great idea which they should ofbeen doing all this time. They also seem to be pushing out the 40k codex pretty quick which I have to say is veryy veryy nice.

So whats everyone think? do you think they will stick to the game plan? Also how long do you think it will take them to get ever current dex up to date.


(this thought was brought up after talking to a few friends about codex creep as it seems to having more and more of an effect on all the older dexes. All the 5th ed books stand up next to each other almost perfectly and which in a game like this is the best youll ever get. Its when you stand them up next to the older ones that things fall apart very quickly)

I don't think that will ever happen personally.

Necrons, Dark Eldar, Which Hunters, Daemon Hunters, Dark Angels and Tau. That's all the ones I can think of off the top of my head, granted they've been going at a pretty decent rate so far, I don't think all these codexs will see the light, before the next edition.

I hope I'm wrong though.

From the scuttlebutt in my FLGG Dark Angles are getting a codex in July/August, and Dark Eldar around Christmas. But considering that GW released 2 codicies within 2 months of eachother, it my be sooner than that. Hopefully necrons will get a new codex sometime this year, as they have a hardcore backround and should really have a codex to reflect it. Seriously, undieing hordes of metallic warriors slowly marching across the land, destroying all life it happens across... then phases out when 75% of the "necron" units get sweeping advanced.... wth...

There are still a lot of codices that need to bought up to pace plus some of the ones could use some additional love (Chaos Marines for example). Assuming that no codex is cut that leaves; Necrons, Dark Eldar, Witch Hunters, Daemon Hunters, Dark Angels, Black Templars, and Tau. Plus some may argue that Chaos Marines and Eldar should be updated as well. Also there is the question of the Inquisition, will they be split up or put into one giant book? Assuming GW can really get the gears working and release 4 codices a month, that would be two years to get the rest of the books out. Plus what if GW decides to do additional armies into the mix (like a Chaos Legions or Lost and the Damned books).

I say more like 3 years before we got everyone up to date given the track record. After all we need like 3 sets of Legion of the Damned models before we need a Tervigon model. Plus even once all the codices get a new version, it only means it is time to go through the cycle all over again for the next edition or whatever they do. Granted I doubt they will keep everything up to date from there on, just the major sellers only.

It's CONFIRMED Inquisition forces are getting an update around x-mas time, so that guy is a dunderhead. DA had an update in 4th Edition, so forget that. Dark Eldar and Necrons... You got me there.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:It's CONFIRMED Inquisition forces are getting an update around x-mas time, so that guy is a dunderhead. DA had an update in 4th Edition, so forget that. Dark Eldar and Necrons... You got me there.

When was it confirmed and by whom?

I don't know about confirmed, but GW isn't selling Inquisition stuff anymore (GKs and SoBs are off the website, as are the codices). Though not announced yet, they are going to get an update sooner rather than later.

And about DA being 4th Ed and thus not getting an update, what does that have to do with anything? That just means they're less likely to need an update. The last codex update was Tyranids, whose last codex was 4th edition. The next codex update will be Blood Angels, whose previous codex was 4th edition (I know, I know, all they got was the mini-dex, but it was released in 4th ed). Space Marines' last codex was 4th Edition, even if they are the GW posterchild.

I will say that it seems likely that GW will manage to get everybody updated before 6th Edition, though; having seen this year's updates so far (Tyranids and Blood Angels within about 3 months of each other) it's not too far off that they'll get everyone up there in the next couple of years. I believe the list as of now is:

Daemon/Witch Hunters (There are rumors a-plenty about what the codex will actually be, though the strongest seem to suggest a combined =I= book)
Dark Angels
Black Templar
Orks (Technically still a 4th Edition codex, though IIRC they were designed for 5th edition and released at the tail end of 4th)
Tau Empire
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Necrons
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Daemons

So, 10 codices that need to be updated, unless I missed some. If you knock off Orks (Who are basically a 5th Edition army anyway) you end up with 9, which at a rate of 1 codex per 3 months, can be accomplished in just over two years. Not exactly out of reach, is it?

Chaos Daemons are basically 5th as well more so than Orks really.

I don't think they will be getting an update for 5th.

Grey Knights are considered the most likely after Blood Angels, but certainly not confirmed. Nothing is confirmed post April.

Orks and Daemons are both considered fifth edition by Games Workshop devs. I think that rules them out for another release before sixth.

We know that Sisters, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons and Black Tempars are currently in the works; anything outside that list is almost certainly two or more years away. Dark Eldar rumours have been `next year' for the past century, but there seems to be a lot more steam behind them of late. Necrons are also likely next year. My money is on Black Templars 2011 and Dark Angels 2012, covering each year's loyalist Marine slot

Elric of Grans wrote:


We know that Sisters, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Necrons and Black Tempars are currently in the works; anything outside that list is almost certainly two or more years away. Dark Eldar rumours have been `next year' for the past century, but there seems to be a lot more steam behind them of late. Necrons are also likely next year. My money is on Black Templars 2011 and Dark Angels 2012, covering each year's loyalist Marine slot

Plastic Grey Knights and Sisters... I'd lose it. That would be so awesome.

I really hope Inquisition is the next Imperium codex but I really hope that they get rid of this '1 xeno 1 imperium' codex mentality they have. I HATE how they make it seem like the only races with any form of internal diversity are the human races. Eldar used to have lots of different kinds of armies, but they had everything put into one book. Chaos could easily have 5 different books but they don't. Apparently the only difference between a Khorne army and a Nurgle one is that one has Berzerkers and one has Plague Marines.. yeaaaahhh. /whining complete

By the time everything is updated to 5th edition, Space Marines will have an 8th Edition codex, intoducing xorgs and ten sided dice and such.

They never got everyone off 3rd edition before 5th edition came out, and several of the 4th edition codexes were less than two years old before they become obsolete.

I can't see GW ever getting everyone onto the same edition unless they slow down rules editions, or speed up codex production, or reduce the number of Imperial codexes in order to publish non-Impy codexes faster.

I wonder what a world would be like if Dark eldar were the premiere race, and everyone was bitching that space marines needed an update, and the squat players were happy with their fourth edition codex while people still call out for Orks to be brought back , even though Jervis "the stupid bastard" Johnson said that they were too silly and enough of that.

What edition is the DE codex?

I like protoman's world - it sounds like a happy place


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DE codex is 3rd ED

I really wish DA hadn't got an update for 4th... such a horrible codex even when it was released... I would love to see them redone so that they aren't complete trash

If both =I= codexs get combined into 1 it will ruin them as it be so over complicated. Like that old chaos codex where once you'd given some many gifts/etc to your lord he "became" a demon prince.
There would probably end up with a FAQ as long as the book.
And yes DE really need a codex maybe that'll put them on the shelves rather than order only

Oooh... *cringes as someone says they don't like the old CSM 'dex on dakka - where's HBMC? *

As always, it depends on how GW do it. There is no reason a combined =I= codex shouldn't work if done properly.

But as this is GW, how much are we betting it will be a watered down piece of crap with all the fluffy goodness removed and wierd unit combos (a la new CSM) where an ordo xenos inquisitor leads some sisters backed up by GKLR's?

All i know about that CSM codex was what i have been told.

But yeah i agree with you that the compined =I= will be a watered down piece of rubbish.


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But the Ordos Xenos need some rules.
I know there deathwatch rules somewhere but i cant find them.
But i'm still sticking with the =I= codexs should be seperate

Locclo wrote:I don't know about confirmed, but GW isn't selling Inquisition stuff anymore (GKs and SoBs are off the website, as are the codices).

No, that is not true. You can go on the GW site and still buy all of the GK and SOB stuff, sans their respective codices. Why do people keep saying you can't buy their stuff anymore?

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:It's CONFIRMED Inquisition forces are getting an update around x-mas time, so that guy is a dunderhead. DA had an update in 4th Edition, so forget that. Dark Eldar and Necrons... You got me there.

[angryeyes]

Hey! Who do you think you're calling a dunderhead?

I will break you. O.o

[/angryeyes]

Kilkrazy wrote:They never got everyone off 3rd edition before 5th edition came out, and several of the 4th edition codexes were less than two years old before they become obsolete.

I can't see GW ever getting everyone onto the same edition unless they slow down rules editions, or speed up codex production, or reduce the number of Imperial codexes in order to publish non-Impy codexes faster.

I don't think they are interested is getting things all together for 5th edition, I certainly wouldn't trust them to stick to their word about the future plans, they'll change them as soon as they think it will make money. If a game was written properly it simply wouldn't need this many editions with significant changes being released only a few years apart. They re-release the rules as a cash injection every few years to make people buy all the books all over again.

It's probably not even in their interests to have an edition of the game sitting on the shelf with a complete set of codexes to match, it would make it too easy for players to buy all the materials for the game and cut their future losses by remaining on 5th edition or whatever. This is what I seem to see with D&D v.3.5, players have all the books and many groups I've had contact with have shown no signs of upgrading to 4.0. That's what I did with 2nd edition 40K, all the rules and books were available simultaneously and I have the lot, there's no need to buy into anything new as such. Call me cynical but what GW have done with 3rd, 4th and 5th edition is to keep a converyor belt of codexes and rulesets being released.

December 21st 2012.... Oh Wait!

Locclo wrote:

Daemon/Witch Hunters (There are rumors a-plenty about what the codex will actually be, though the strongest seem to suggest a combined =I= book)

Maybe the strongest wishlisting. This has been shot down time and again by designers AT gw. There isn't really any real evidence to suggest that the combo is coming, except maybe that they said it wasn't (Space Hulk anyone?).

I don't think there has ever been a time when all codexes were "up to date" in a single edition except if you count Rogue Trader which didn't have codexes. If they can get the really old ones (Inquisition, Tau, Necrons, Dark Eldar, etc.) done by end of 2011, along with a couple more (Black Templars, Dark Angels, etc.), they will be in great shape, IMO. I'm interested in several different armies as a second army to orks, but they are all on the "to be updated" list (Sisters, DE, Necrons, and maybe even Chaos Space Marines if you are among those who feel they need an update).

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:It's CONFIRMED Inquisition forces are getting an update around x-mas time, so that guy is a dunderhead. DA had an update in 4th Edition, so forget that. Dark Eldar and Necrons... You got me there.

Inquistion gets an update?
I hope not. Necrons, Tau, and DE deserve an update.

Well inquisition does kinda blow balls with its cost and rules, but yeah of course we know that Dark eldar need it the most

SOB and GK are back on GW's site. But the LR Redeemer is under heavy support for the DH and the WH are missing Stormies and dedicated transports... kind of interesting.

Would also like to see rules for Gideon Lorr in a new WH codex.