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Hey guys,

So, lets say you have a psyker with a psychic shooting power, who is within a unit of troops. If he wants to use his psychic shooting attack, from what I understand, he must use it on the unit which the rest of his unit shoot at. However, I am not sure if hes required to use the power simultaneously with the rest of his units shooting.

Lets say for example, a farseer is within a unit of dire avengers. The farseer wants to mindwar the sergeant in a tactical marine squad, and does so, inflicting three wounds on the sergeant model. The dire avengers must shoot that tactical squad and vice-versa, but, do they have to fire at the same time that the farseer uses mindwar? If so, how would wound allocation work if they caused enough to wrap around? The sergeant already has three wounds on him..

Well I play it that the psychic power happens first . . . however by RAW if it's all from the same unit, then it's all simultaneous. So that means you would have to inflict a hell of a lot of wounds to get any more onto the Sgt in your example.

Oshova

Yup, if it's a shooting attack, it would happen at the same time as other shooting attacks from the unit, unless the rules for the power or the psyker in question specifically state otherwise.

It happens at the same time, no two ways about it.

So in that case,.. I have never seen an example in the rules for this... if the sergeant already has 3 wounds stacked on him.. would you ignore him for allocating the wounds caused by the dire avengers, until everyone else in the unit had 3 wounds as well?

Indeed you would, because everyone has to have even amounts of wounds before going around again. =D

Oshova

As the Mind War wounds are caused by a specific effect, I would count them outside the usual allocation process. So allocate the wounds inflicted by the DA's as normal, and put the three additional wounds on the Sergeant.

But by RAW, all shooting wounds from one unit are allocated at the same time. SO that means that the SGt would have the 3 wounds, and the rest of the wounds would be allocated around.

Oshova

I'm with insaniak. STOP.

Unrelated rant here. Based on RaIish things - such as considering PSAs a sperate lot of shooting even when it's based around one squad.
Although all shooting is resolved simultaneously, individual events happen in sequence, eg tanks blow up then we can shoot occupants, so either the psychic ability is used and resolved, or all shooting wounds are divided up then the psychic wounds are applied.

Otherwise it'd be a bit like receiving the best of both worlds. (Which is great ^_^)

Addendum: If the PSA was the *exact same* like having a bolter with ones mind in a squad of bolter I would belive that it'd all happen in the one partition of the shooting round. Otherwise we're saying psychic abiltiys are the exact same speed as all the bullets, missiles and Lazors, from all the different guns.

By RAW, you can't allocate three wounds to the sergeant all at once, as after the first wound you have to allocate one wound to every other model in the unit before you can give the sergeant a second... so as far as RAW is concerned Mind War doesn't work at all.

Those would be the two obvious ways to play it, though:
- Put the three wounds on the sergeant, and allocate the rest as normal to the rest of the squad, only allocating more wounds to the sergeant if everyone else winds up with at least 3 wounds.
or
- Count the Mind War wounds outside the normal allocation process. So allocate the rest of the wounds as normal, ignoring the Mind War wounds for the purposes of wound allocation.



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ChrisCP wrote:I'm with insaniak although all shooting is resolved simultaneously, individual events happen in sequence,

That wasn't actually my point at all. All shooting from a single unit happens simultaneously.

I'm not saying that the Mind War wounds are resolved separately, as they shouldn't be. I'm simply saying that I think it is best to ignore them for the purposes of wound allocation.

Yeah that was my bad, should have had a period after your name, I didn't mean to imply in that fashion.

Betterish post here \/

ChrisCP wrote:I'm with insaniak.

Unrelated rant here. Based on RaIish things - such as considering PSAs a sperate lot of shooting even when it's based around one squad.
Although all shooting is resolved simultaneously, individual events happen in sequence, eg tanks blow up then we can shoot occupants, so either the psychic ability is used and resolved, or all shooting wounds are divided up then the psychic wounds are applied.

Otherwise it'd be a bit like receiving the best of both worlds. (Which is great ^_^)

Addendum: If the PSA was the *exact same* like having a bolter with ones mind in a squad of bolter I would belive that it'd all happen in the one partition of the shooting round. Otherwise we're saying psychic abiltiys are the exact same speed as all the bullets, missiles and Lazors, from all the different guns.

ChrisCP wrote:Although all shooting is resolved simultaneously, individual events happen in sequence, eg tanks blow up then we can shoot occupants

...but you can't blow up a tank and then shoot the occupants with fire from the same source/squad, which is what's being discussed here, right?

Not what I was saying, 'tank blows up (example of event), shooting occupants (from another squad)' Sorry about the lack of clarity, I should have said squads? Not sure how to clarify it. *from the magical fairyland in my headish* Basicaly all shooting from a squad must be assigned first so no using that krak missile then some on the occupants that's two different lots (unit being shot at) of shooting. But in this situation, we have one round of shooting with two elements, guns and psychic. the differing elements need to be resolved in a 'sensible' order.

If for arguments sake there was a psychic power to blow up a tank, that could be tucked into a squad with more shooty-shooty, they couldn't shoot the occupants because that would be shooting at a second/different squad still no no

Thanks for helping me try and explain what I'm trying to... yeah... convoluted... thanks ^_^


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Falconlance wrote:Hey guys,
The farseer wants to mindwar the sergeant in a tactical marine squad, and does so, inflicting three wounds on the sergeant model. The dire avengers must shoot that tactical squad and vice-versa, but, do they have to fire at the same time that the farseer uses mindwar? If so, how would wound allocation work if they caused enough to wrap around? The sergeant already has three wounds on him..

Little tip tanks don't have wounds

ChrisCP wrote:Little tip tanks don't have wounds

God damn it, I've been playing that AV14 is 14 wounds for all these years!

Nice to know, I dodnt quite know for sure how this worked exactly either concerning wound allocation. Thanks for the post.

Off topic, god damnit Tantras, your Avatar sucks me in for at least 30 seconds everytime i see it.

L0rdF1end wrote:Off topic, god damnit Tantras, your Avatar sucks me in for at least 30 seconds everytime i see it.

Hah, you're very welcome!