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Can psyker abilities be used if they are not a shooting ability and they are in a vehicle that has moved at cruising speed. Ie... a chimera moving 12" with a psyker battle squad onboard using weaken resolve?

yes i believe so- they are not shooting attacks but normal psychic attacks, and nothing in the vehicle rules mentions that they effect psychic mechanics- may have to wait for gwar to wander along and confirm that, or probably prove me wrong.

If they count as shootng then they cannot be used if you move more than 6"

However, i seem to remember the fire point rules only refer to shooting, so whether you can draw LOS out of the vehcile (a requirement for WR, if memory serves) is up for debate.

ah, i didn't know the specific power requires LOS. in general, however, most non-shooting psychic powers do not require LOS i believe, and are unaffected by movement. this is just going by the librarian's rules here

Its not considered a shooting attack, but does require line of sight. Thats why Im asking for the clarification. It came up in a rules debate on the table.

As it isnt a shooting attack speed isnt a factor, as you've been told.

Look up the rules for firepoints: if they ONLY let you shoot out of them then RAW the power wouldnt work, as you have no permiossion to draw LOS to the target.

nosferatu1001 wrote:As it isnt a shooting attack speed isnt a factor, as you've been told.

Look up the rules for firepoints: if they ONLY let you shoot out of them then RAW the power wouldnt work, as you have no permiossion to draw LOS to the target.

Indeed. This is why things like Fortune work from vehicles because they don't need LoS.

RAW.
A fire point is a hatch or gun slit from which one or more passengers inside the vehicle can fire (or use a psychic power). pg 66

It doesnt say psychic shooting attacks. So it says according to the rules you can use a psychic power from the hatch. Furthermore it says
"Ranges and line of sight are measured from the firepoint itself." And does not say LOS for firing, just a blanket LOS is drawn from here.

So thanks guys, I got it figured out.

Natfka wrote:"Ranges and line of sight are measured from the firepoint itself."

For shooting...

its says shooting or psychic power.

nosferatu1001 wrote:If they count as shootng then they cannot be used if you move more than 6"

However, i seem to remember the fire point rules only refer to shooting, so whether you can draw LOS out of the vehcile (a requirement for WR, if memory serves) is up for debate.

I can't find anything in the RAW that stops psy shooting attacks from fire points if the vehicle has moved. As long as you didn't run in the shooting phase.

I'm probably wrong though, I am slightly RAWtarded!

A transport vehicle may have a number of fire points defined in its entry. A fire point is a hatch or gun slit from which one or more passengers inside the vehicle can fire (or use a psychic power).

Thus, you can infer that if one is unable to fire, one is unable to fire (or use a psychic power).

Models firing from a vehicle count as moving if the vehicle moves, and may not fire at all if the vehicle moved at Cruising speed that turn.

Therefore, you cannot fire (or use a psychic power).

Gwar! wrote:

A transport vehicle may have a number of fire points defined in its entry. A fire point is a hatch or gun slit from which one or more passengers inside the vehicle can fire (or use a psychic power).

Thus, you can infer that if one is unable to fire, one is unable to fire (or use a psychic power).

How can you infer that? The only relation implied between firing and using a psychic power is that both can be done from a firing point. It doesn't give you any other relationship, so I would say that the rules applied to firing do not apply to psychic powers unless it specifically says they do.

And you can argue that it does specifically say it does, by saying that you use a fire point to fire or use a psychic power.

So, in short: RaW is Muddy. Agreed?

Certainly. I would personally allow you to use a non-shooting psychic power from a moving transport, assuming either it did not require LOS or you could draw LOS from a fire-point. That's just me.

What about a thousand son aspiring sorcerer ? Slow and purposeful counts as stationary while shooting.

Tbh would you want to be sticking your head out of a tank moving at full speed, then trying to "get in the zone" and do your psychic power? I think not.

On 1000 sons, it states no firing may be done. So no you can't shoot or use the psyker. Or atleast that's how I see it. =]

Oshova

Being relentless has nothing to do with being able to fire out of a vehicle that moves at cruising speed. Normal vehicle rules say you cannot and nothing in being relentless implies that it would be otherwise while embarked.

It would allow you to shoot a heavy weapon from a vehicle moving at combat speed, but that is it.

Gwar! wrote:And you can argue that it does specifically say it does, by saying that you use a fire point to fire or use a psychic power.

So, in short: RaW is Muddy. Agreed?

Not at all, because that's not the only rule that applies. Fire Points tell you you can shoot or use a psychic power from the FP. Then the rules go on to tell you of the restriction to shooting if the vehicle moved too fast. So non-shooting psychic powers are good to go at any speed (since speed only restricts shooting), but if LOS is required they use the FP.

Exactly right!