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The rulebook states that a character counts as an upgrade to his retinue, until the retinue dies, only then, does he become an IC.

So, if the character dies before his retinue is killed off, wouldn't that mean that the whole unit only counts as one KP?

No, it is always worth 2KP regardless of the order of operation.

the RAW is above, the RAI is that it's a balance for the fact that he can't voluntarily leave the squad. by losing IC status while in it, he/she can't be picked out in close combat while an IC attached to a squad can.

They are always worth 2kp, no matter which one dies first.

Page 48 of the Rulebook states that a character counts as an upgrade to his retinue until his retinue is destroyed. Once they are destroyed, then he counts as an Independent Character. So if the Character dies before his retinue does...the character never counted as an Independent Character and thus is not worth a separate KP as he was only ever an upgrade.

Anyone see anything wrong with this thinking?

Have a look at the Kill Point rules on page 91... The character and his retinue are specifically stated as counting for a kill point each.

Ah...yes...yet another GW contradiction.

Kill Points are simply a way of tallying up who has won. They chose to count retinues as separate from their owning characters (I would assume) to keep things fair for the newer armies who largely don't have retinues.

So they count as a single unit during the game, but when determining what has been killed characters count separately.

Company Command Squad Commanders, on the other hand, are neither characters nor do they have retinues. They make up for not being able to be targetted by sucking at close combat

ductvader wrote:Page 48 of the Rulebook states that a character counts as an upgrade to his retinue until his retinue is destroyed. Once they are destroyed, then he counts as an Independent Character. So if the Character dies before his retinue does...the character never counted as an Independent Character and thus is not worth a separate KP as he was only ever an upgrade.

Anyone see anything wrong with this thinking?

Beside the point you have to apply wounds to like models first so for the most part the retinue tends to die before the IC anyway. Not always the case but mostly.

TheBlackVanguard wrote:Beside the point you have to apply wounds to like models first...

Sorry, but there is no such rule.

The rulebook only states the "returns to IC status after the retinue is destroyed" to show that he can then go on and join squads, is NOW targettable in cc, etc.