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recently I have been playing against allot of nids ( flavor of the month, april will be BA ) and ive noticed that 6 TH/SS termies get OBLITERATED in cc against gargoyles, much less a MC or 2, and I'm wondering if anyone else is having the same problem, to me it seems as though any unit that can strike first against them is capable of delivering an overwhelming number of wounds regardless of who assaults whom. 6 and a libby with a SS died to gargoyles on sat night! WTF @ 400 points I am a little disenchanted.

Termies against massed attacks is a failtactic. They aren't horde killers.

Odds are they should be able to kill a MC.

I'm really not sure why this is in the Army List forum. Perhaps you should talk about disenchantment in the general discussion forum.

Yes, anything that forces them to roll loads of saves will destroy terminators. Tyranids just happen to be very good at causing loads of saves. Nearly nothing in the army has AP2 or better, so your SS will be pretty useless unless you go up against MCs.

The way to handle this is of course to keep the terminators inside a LR and use supporting units to clear the way to the target. LS with H-flamers, jumptroopers with flamers, a battery of whirlwinds, a sternguard squad with H-flamers and combi flamers, even a tac squad w flamer in a rhino. Etc etc. Any of these should be able to clear out the gargoyles and termagants that are truly dangerous for terminators. If you bring a psychic hood and target the zoanthropes first, chances are you will get one good charge of. Make that count by choosing a worthy target.

Sorry, didn't realize I was in army lists, and I was hiding and behind a land raider full of termes when I got charged, it was the suck of all sucks, but it did bring to light tyhe onit problem I have been experiencing lately. MC's kill them just as fast most times.

Yeah don't get your Termmie's into CC against Hordes. LC Termmies and TH both suck against hordes. 6 Hammernators will cut down 2 Carnifexes on the charge no trouble. That is what they should be fighting charging them into 30 gargoyles or 30 Boyz is suicide.

They are a deathstar but they wo't autowin you game.

Charging them to boyz is not that dangerous...boyz are S3.

And engagement with toxic nids hordes is really need to be avoid.

Why on earth would you charge them into a mob of boyz? Despite being only str 3 the will kill on average kill 1.66 termies before they get to strike. that is assuming they are shoota boyz, if they are slugga boyz then you loose 2.5 termies...

Tedurur exactly before you even factor in the PC nob.

Yes you'll probably win the first round of combat but you'll be tarpitted at best or more likely ground down in a war of attrition.

Keep your Termmies away from hordes at all times.