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Nice start.

I partially agree with your premise, that Wolves are a short range shooty army. Unfortunately, marines are not the best at shooting. They just don't have the overwhelming firepower that other armies can put out. I have wiped out half a footslogging Chaos army with 1 turn of shooting from my Eldar ( Fire dragons, dire avengers, fire prisms). Marines can usually get one round of shooting in before they get assaulted.

Wolves do have an advantage that makes them a good close combat army....Wolf Guard Battle Leaders ( and Arjac, and Wolf Lords). Init 5 characters are great, and being able to take upto 4 ( + Arjac), is a great boon.

Unfortunately, wolves are very much a finesse army, as most marine armies are, and not the sledgehammers they ought to be.

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Cheers man, appreciate the compliments. I think Space Wolves have the potential to be an almost sledge-hammer army and in hindsight I have to admit I think I down-played their close-combat capability (shall change that), but yeah thanks Hobbs.

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"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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Interesting article by the looks of things Dave- look forward to the rest of it

 
   
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Thanks again for the compliments guys. I've just added Ragnar Blackmane and it looks like I will likely get one unit/character done each day if that sounds reasonable?

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"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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I like and agree with most of the tactics. Exept for Canis. Most of the good parts of Canis you can get by just putting a Wolf lord on a TW mount. That way you can give him a Belt of russ as well as getting ws6. The T5 S5 A5 is TW bonus, not Canis stats, IMO. The special rule Wrath of the savage is very limited as the attaks is based on opponents in base contact, not the ones he is fighting with (thus, you have to cram 7 or 8 models in base contact to ever benefit from the rule since his attaks are already numerous. I think Canis is a Poor special character, compares to an ordinary Lord on TW. (however, an "ordinary" lord on TW is a wvery powerfull model indeed

Nice work on the rest.

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True, but Canis is 185pts. A Lord on Thunderwolf is 145pts base, before adding on the 2 wolf claws (or whatever), before his other wargear and before the special rules. hence Canis is 'good'.
Although, I think you raise a good point, I'll make a point saying that a TWC Lord can do a better job, but for more and without the rules.

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- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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You are right, considering the point cost, he is good even in comparison with a wolf lord on TW. For some reason I did not think of that (I guess I just assumed a SC would be lots of more expencive than a regular list character
Still, I think I would prefer to spend a few points extra to get other equipment and less special rules.

I think the Ironpriest mounted on TW is an interresting idea. Well, mostly because I like the Idea of a Cyber Thunder Wolf, witch is the only logical explanation why they grant the iron priest a TW mount (Still, T5, runic armour, hammer and S5, backed up with 4 cyberwolves and a HQ with "saga of wolfkin" to boost the Cyber wolfies Init to 5, they can do some real damage for relatively few points)

Keep up the good work on this.
   
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Cheers man, much appreciated. I think you're right also, I overlooked the possibility of a more deadly, albeit expensive lord, so as I said, when I get round to it - I'm freakin' busy atm and this tactica takes ages - I'll add in your point of viable alternatives.

Yeah, although a fairly stupid idea, the thunderwolf/priest can be v. nasty! His only real weakness is a lack of attacks and wounds but that is compensated by the cyberwolves and as you said, is relatively cheap!

Thanks again Fayric, I really appreciate the input.

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- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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I am still having problems with making an artical, if any one who is better at it than me wants to take stuff from my thread and put it there I would greatly apreciate it. Just put me in the Credits
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/266924.page

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No offence Anpu, it's way too long and wordy for my liking. Sorry pal...

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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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Just notifying that the article has been put on hold until July as I have too much to do in the mean time. Apologies all, feel free to PM me for advice in the mean time.

peace.

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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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Just read the wolf lord part of your tactica. Agree with most of it, and especially the point cost problem in comparison to what kind of units you can builf for the same cost. Just one think I like to point out: a TW rider dont get the rending ability if they use "special" weapons (unless they are Canis with double wolf claws; another pro for Canis). Also worth mentioning (but no error on your part) is that a hq in terminator armour may not take a frost weapon, for some reason...
   
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They can now, it's been errata'd

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Yeah, as sandy said they can now thanks to the FAQ. But yeah, I'll point out the rending part and get back to this tactica soon, when I have some time. *curse you social life!*

Cheers guys, C+C appreciated as ever.

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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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Head Quarters is pretty much done. (phew)

Have also added a 'Brief Unit Outline' for anyone impatient for help.

Cheers Guys. Dave.

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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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Hi! Nice article, It will be exciting to follow it's development and I'll definitely try some of your ideas!

But as Fayric pointed out, models on a thunder wolf with a special CCW does not benefit from the rending special rule. That is clearly stated in the codex and the FAQ listed on GWs homepge.

Good work, keep it up!

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Thank you and Thank you.

I intend to get back to it soon.

But yes, I recognise that, however I just read through it and I don't think I've ever stated that they can, it clearly says they don't get rending alongside a special CCW, just one or the other...

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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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Under "potential uses" you have written the following "Other considerations are Str10 power fists/hammers, Wolf Claws (re-rolling to hit and rending is messy)." So it's not like you are saying "you will get both rending and...." but it's the most logic interpretation to me. In my opinion "re-rolling to hit or rending is messy" would be more straightforward and less confusing. But I guess it's a matter of which you prefer the most.

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Oh, fair point, I shall change that, didn't notice that thank you.

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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
 
   
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I do agree in some of the tactica with this article, but I'm a Space Wolves and I'm all about gettin in your face with my Cav. Space Wolves are indeed a fighting in your face army, if you build the correct army.

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They can be, yes, but the Blood Angels (and Black Templars) do it better.

24" is in your face, you wither the enemy with fire then counter-charge them, a tactic best suited for Space Wolves.

We do have specialised CC units (eg. Cavalry, Claws), but I believe that an army struggles to be focussed around just close combat as it's not the Space Wolves speciality.

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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
 
   
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Well I kind of moved near Toronto, actually.

Looks like great work dude.

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Nice start, just one thing, under the rune priest part you mention combi weapons which rune priests dont have access to.

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Hi Dave, just read your article, nice read and fair points, although I still haven't painted and played my Wolves, I was a bit shocked when reading about the Wolf Guard Battle Leader. But I guess that he doesn't match up to the other fellows on the HQ part.

Another thing that made me think is how much GW missed a mark with not releasing some Thunderwolf cavalry (and even some updated all-purpose wolves, even if part of a Goblin mob for Fantasy ). On the other hand, I'm not to keen on the whole "wolf-rider" thing...

Cheers on a well written piece, I'll try to stick with your advice!

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